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Also rational people: Israel could well be lying. But also Hamas could well have chosen to hide amongst aids workers.

The ability to tell which of these is true from the distance we’re sat went out the window long ago.

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The guy was delivering food to a starving population. The occupation could have captured him since they have a military presence and control in the area.

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They were not delivering food, but it was a WCK car. There were people unrelated to WCK with them at the time. Ultimately this comes down to whether or not one believes Israel. What Israel and WCK say is not contradictory, WCK just says they didn’t know if the person participated in the Oct 7 terror attacks or not. Israel says they did. If you maraude around another country stabbing women and children any car you get in in the future is liable to get a rocket through the roof. It’s not on Israel to risk its soldiers apprehending someone like that. Cowardly of that particular person to seek to hide amongst civilians. That’s if Israel is to be believed.

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Ah yes, beleive a state that is on trial in both the courts in The Hague (war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide).

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Also, is one terrorist worth killing 3 other innocent people?

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Yeah, if your end goal is to depopulate the whole region so you can steal the rest of the land you haven’t stolen yet.

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Yes, but when a person can’t defend himself because he was killed, it’s not the killer who gets the benefit of the doubt. Israel knows he was hamas? How about they show us the evidence that was enough to kill him and everyone around him.

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What kind of evidence would actually be convincing? I’ve seen photos, call transcripts and surveillance footage released in the past as justifications for various things. All are dismissed as fake or exaggerated. Or, in other cases apparently just ignored.

for example: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/12/07/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news#israel-claims-about-al-mawasi-add-to-concerns-that-nowhere-in-gaza-is-safe-for-civilians

That’s the problem in a conflict like this as far away as it is. The truth died long ago. Whether one wants to see Hamas as the real psychopaths or Israel as the real psychopaths, any and all evidence presented so far by both sides can be twisted to suit whichever worldview the reader wants to have.

I boil it down to this, Israel has more than enough reasons to be lying and exaggerating: there are extremist factions in Israel who ideologically want to possess the land and they’ll commit genocide to achieve it. Israel had military hegemony in the area, and especially with American backing, and so can count on being able to kill and squeeze Palestinian civilians in plain view until their goals are achieved. I get it.

But also, Hamas had more than enough reasons to also be lying. They are religious extremists who want to kill all Jews at any cost routinely hide among civilians and fire weapons from civilian areas. The West lost its collective mind over terror attacks by several dozen Islamic extremists. Israel has ~30,000 members of Hamas’s genocidal terror brigades sitting on their doorstep. It’s a different scale of threat than what the West has ever dealt with.

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You’re totally missing who the genocidal religious fanatics actually are.

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Oh you’re just a zionest and pro genicide.

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