Is the joy worth the pain?

Is the pain justifying withholding joy?

What if they don’t want to contribute to a community?

Humans are a social species. That’s like asking: “What if it doesn’t want to drink?”

Can you guarantee the joy will outweigh the pain?

Since when are we modeling everything we do on guaranteed knowledge?

What gives you the right to will another being into existence?

Rights aren’t given. They’re negotiated. I negotiate the right with the person that conceives the child with me.

If the being will become conscious and self aware, why doesn’t their consent matter?

Consent doesn’t matter for hypothetical futures.

What if you bring a child into the world that’s born with a major, incurable defect?

What’s your point? That disabled people’s lives aren’t worth anything? 🤨

Life is not always full of joy, in fact, for many it’s devoid of it.

ummm, source? O.o

Also: live can be better, you know. Just because life sucks for some today, doesn’t mean it can’t improve in the future. That’s simply a defeatist stance.

I think really good points are being made here against children.

I’ve yet to see one, tbh.

I don’t believe it’s necessarily immoral to have kids, but I DO think it’s a serious grey area.

I think, the question alone shows a misunderstanding of existence: not everything can be cathegorized into “good” and “bad”.