Is the joy worth the pain? What if they don’t want to contribute to a community? Can you guarantee the joy will outweigh the pain? What gives you the right to will another being into existence?

If the being will become conscious and self aware, why doesn’t their consent matter?

What if you bring a child into the world that’s born with a major, incurable defect?

Life is not always full of joy, in fact, for many it’s devoid of it. I think really good points are being made here against children.

I don’t believe it’s necessarily immoral to have kids, but I DO think it’s a serious grey area. It’s emphatically not the positive action society makes it out to be.

I think I have a fairly cynical view that reproduction is primarily a selfish act based solely on our biological drive to continue our species. I’ve pondered for a long time, and I fail to see a more logical conclusion than that.

Life is tough and there are no guarantees. Rolling the dice by having a kid seems like a messed up thing to do imo.

That said, I would adopt a child or children. That’s a better way to ensure you are putting kindness and hope into the world where it’s needed, rather than creating another vessel for pain from whole cloth.