• In short: Transgender woman Roxanne Tickle is suing social media platform Giggle for Girls after she was excluded from the women-only app.
  • She is alleging unlawful discrimination on the basis of gender identity while the app’s founder has denied she is a woman.
  • What’s next? The hearing is expected to run for four days.

A transgender woman who was excluded from a women-only social media app should be awarded damages because the app’s founder has persistently denied she is a woman, a Sydney court has heard.

In February 2021, Roxanne Tickle downloaded the Giggle for Girls social networking app, which was marketed as a platform exclusively for women to share experiences and speak freely.

Users needed to provide a selfie, which was assessed by artificial intelligence software to determine if they were a woman or man.

Ms Tickle’s photograph was determined to be a woman and she used the app’s full features until September that year, when the account became restricted because the AI decision was manually overridden.

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I don’t understand.

It’s okay to discriminate against men but not transgender women?

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Trans women are women.

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Yes you’re right the transphobes are taking over here

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I down voted, not because I disagree with the claim, but because it doesn’t make any sense in the context and just reads as a knee-jerk dismissive response of a valid point.

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It’s true though. Gender is a performance, and as a woman your womanhood is always under scrutiny from everyone else. You can get your identity as woman taken from you if you don’t “look woman enough”. Which if you say have more masculine features, cut your hair short as a cis woman you become less woman. For example Butch lesbians are actually the most often de-womanized. Same goes for less masculine men. It’s a box no one fits into perfectly and having certain genitals doesn’t include or exclude you from either.

This person wanted a safe space where they wouldn’t have to deal with cis straight men. Which makes it that if men want inclusion in such spaces they need to be better.

Another question for you all, why as cis men do you want inclusion in these spaces?

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“trans women are women” is pointing out this isn’t about men vs women but the given sex at birth.

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I define a woman as a female who has a uterus, how should I define them?

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Biological gender: A Person with two X-Chromosons

Social Gender: Anyone who wants to be a woman

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Real /r/unpopularopinion moment.

I think the thing that the TERFs ultimately miss is that this person was initially welcomed in as a woman and treated as a woman by her peers. She did not disrupt the community or harass any of the participants, until she voiced support for Trans Rights.

It was at this point that a handful of moderators decided to interrogate her on her original gender and use that as an excuse to boot an active and in-good-standing member.

So she wasn’t removed for “not being a woman”. She was removed for “disagreeing with the political views of the admin”.

Anyone familiar with Reddit politics should be able to sympathize.

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While I certainly agree with you that discrimination based on sex is unacceptable im most contexts, I believe that gender exclusive spaces, unless they hinder people directly, sometimes are a good thing.

My dad is a mental health professional and founded a weekly ‘only-men’ self help group. He found that some things they talked about there wouldn’t have worked with women involved. That group existed for about 5 years or so and helped quite a few struggling men.

So yeah, unless there’s any maliciousness involved, I’d argue that gender exclusiity is not bad in every context.

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If women have gender exclusive spaces, men also should have them. Women have invaded male spaces for decades.

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‘Invaded’ lol what. Dude the boys club is a real thing. And it’s everywhere.

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That’s a bit different. A little private group is not a for-profit company. The difference between not being invited to a family only event when you aren’t family and not being allowed into a restaurant chain because of your race.

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The group I referenced had a paid membership. Scale that up and make it digital and you may end up with a gender exclusive social media app.

I get what you mean though, but I feel there’s a bit more nuance than what you imply.

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Your account is a day old so I’m thinking you’re arguing in bad faith and are likely transphobic.

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More the reverse. If you say “Girls Only” and then exclude a girl, you’ve violated your own terms of service.

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