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During the time of Marx, the bourgeoisie was keeping the proletariat down. They directly owned the means of production, since Soviet Russia did not have a stock market.

Now in the US, the bourgeoisie has become smaller and less influential. They no longer own the means of production due to selling shares.

Our oppressors are the aristocrats. They sit on the boards with majority power, giving direction without directly running the businesses.

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More like plutocrats. Aristocrats would be the nobel left after the fall of monarchies. Plutocrats are the rich corporate elite.

Or just go with the umbrella term: Oligarchs.

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Fair. We still agree that our enemy is not the bourgeoisie. They’re becoming more of the proletariat every year.

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/

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What?! The bourgeoisie is the owning class of the means of production. They exploit labour and are the primary enemy of the working classes of this world

EDIT: aristocrats are a feature of feudalism and it’s remnants

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Right. And what class is running Blackrock, Vanguard, State Street and the like that sit on the board with majority ownership of every bourgeoisie run business in the US? The wealthiest people in the nation.

The bourgeoisie is being leveraged against the proletariat by the aristocrats/plutocrats through stock ownership. The bourgeoisie no longer own or control their own businesses in the US.

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You’re using class terminology in a way that doesn’t conform to any leftist current and this deliberately confuses the conversation. Furthermore, the bourgeoisie are the class that owns Blackrock, Vanguard, etc. You are using Petite Bourgeoisie to refer to Bourgeoisie.

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