The only thing I like about Trump is exactly what so many empire managers hate about him: he gives the game away. He says the quiet parts out loud. He’s the only president who’ll openly boast that US troops are in Syria taking the oil or lament that they failed to take the oil from Venezuela, or just come right out and tell everyone he’s bought and owned by Zionist oligarchs.

Trump is the opposite of Obama, who was very skillful at putting a pretty face on the evil empire. Trump puts a very ugly face on a very ugly thing. He is a much more honest face to have on the empire. A crude, stupid plutocrat who is owned by other plutocrats is the perfect representative of that tyrannical power structure.

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Trump is the opposite of Obama, who was very skillful at putting a pretty face on the evil empire.

Bullshit. Obama worked towards reigning in the evil empire part of America.

But the mainstream media (Fox News is mainstream. Get used to it.) lied and reported endlessly on drone strikes despite those drone strikes causing fewer casualties than any President after Carter.

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No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it. If you were antiwar during Bush you found yourself just as angry but far more alone under Obama. Nobody wanted to hear the critiques and it stayed that way until trump round one when all the libs pretended to care again.

He ran on ending the wars and then went forward with NATO Invading Libya and turning it into an open air slave market. Assassination of a us teenager as part of his drone expansion where funerals, hospitals, and weddings were bombed regularly. The surgical drone strike nonsense is propaganda to counter act that his kill lists got press.

How about reviving the espionage act to imprison whistleblowers?? He prosecuted people who leaked that the government used waterboarding and did Gitmo ever close?

Obama ramped up immigration enforcement and deported more people than Bush or trump. He expanded ICE law enforcement powers, increased border security budget and built the cages. He failed to get any positive reform to stick so the end result was more enforcement.

Fuck off with that tan suit washing nonsense honestly. Obama did continue the status quo and put a pretty face on it. Trump does show you what this country truly is. 100%

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No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it.

That statement isn’t backed by any data.

“On July 1, 2016, President Barack Obama signed an executive order requiring annual accounting of civilian and enemy casualties in U.S. drone strikes outside war zones (“Areas Outside of Active Hostilities”), and setting a deadline of May 1 each year for the release of such report.[27][28] However, soon after taking office, President Donald Trump designated large areas in Yemen and Somalia to be “areas of active hostilities,” thus exempting them from disclosure.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12

https://www.ranker.com/list/the-twelve-worst-us-presidents-based-on-body-counts/dralcarroll

https://airwars.org/research/civilian-deaths-by-us-president-in-iraq-and-syria/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Obama made it public. Bush and Trump hid it.

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Obama also classified all ‘military aged’ males near areas of hostile activities as terrorists. Sorry you were fooled by Obama but he didnt change America and he didnt bring hope or peace to the world. Just a pretty facade that made yall feel justified and superior as he overthrew socialist countries, continues the wars, the torture, and the deportations.

Sure trump is worse. Everyone can see trump is worse but the policy and enforcement are not as far from each other as the Dem establishment and their fanatics pretend. Obamas America and trumps America are the same America. Libya and Syria, extending the patriot act indefinitely, keeping Gitmo open and us troops in the middle east, prosecuting snowden all really cemented that for me.

We are the baddies. We were during Obama and Bush and Clinton and trump just stops anyone from claiming otherwise.

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Expanding the war on terror, causing the war in Ukraine, letting the bankers that made up his cabinet just wholesale write and pass regulations, crushing unions, funding and arming Mexican cartels… Obama was a terrible human being. He was a standard US president, representative of the empire, and responsible for the deaths of millions that were in the way of us interests.

This isnt redd*t. Being a neoliberal isn’t a good thing here.

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Nazified Ukraine??? Ukraine was invaded by Russia. The invading Russian Wagner troops were called Wagner after Hitler’s favorite composer.

Actual Hitler fans invaded Ukraine but you call Ukraine Nazi for defending themselves.

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Azov battalion.

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