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Actually responsibility of civilian deaths are on those who use civilians as human shields

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I don’t get that mindset. Why is it ok to shoot through people to get to the bad guys?

If the police did that when criminals took hostages it wouldn’t be acceptable so why is it acceptable for Israel?

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It is a talking point meant to engage you and waste your time, it doesn’t have to make sense. This is conservative playbook 101.

It is a demonstration of good faith vs bad faith. If only you explain it to the person properly then they will change their mind? Nope. They’re just energy/effort vampires trying to exhaust you.

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You’ve got your education right on that one. Learned the hard way perhaps?

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You don’t know what you are talking about

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But they are taking precautions, you guys act like they are doing it deliberately without precautions

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Yeah right “precautions”

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

“In war, we don’t have time to incriminate every target. So we’re prepared to take the margin of error of using AI, risking collateral damage and civilian deaths (…) and live with it,”

The army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians; in the past, the military did not authorize any “collateral damage” during assassinations of low-ranking militants.

When it came to targeting alleged junior militants marked by Lavender, the army preferred to only use unguided missiles, commonly known as “dumb” bombs (in contrast to “smart” precision bombs), which can destroy entire buildings on top of their occupants and cause significant casualties. “You don’t want to waste expensive bombs on unimportant people — it’s very expensive for the country and there’s a shortage [of those bombs],”

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So if a terrorist broke in to your home, locked you, your wife, and your kids in the basement, then launched a rocket from your bedroom window, you’d be 100% OK with the IDF turning your house in to rubble and your family in to compost? Really? Get a fucking grip, buddy.

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The Hutu’s used the term “cockroaches” to dehumanize. The Nazi’s used “rats”. But at least those are living creatures. But “a shield”, calling a human being a shield, as if they’re an inanimate object meant to be struck, as if they’re a nuisance that you’re meant to get through to hit your target? Calling these civilians “human shields” is a new low for dehumanizing language, and Israel defenders don’t realize what kind of monster everyone else sees them as. So wild that it’s considered acceptable language by mainstream culture, fucking terrifying.

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It’s considered acceptable language by mainstream culture because it’s a legitimate interpretation of reality.

It’s not reasonable to say Jews are literally rats. It is a reasonable to say civilian Gazans are used as a shield by Hamas. What is dehumanizing, sometime literally, is using people as shields.

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I think it’s more dehumanizing to be the one who kills those people. What the hell is wrong with people? Is murder suddenly okay then?

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If a group of militants decided to have a meeting in the basement of a fully occupied apartment building in NYC, you believe it would be ethical for the US military to destroy the building and kill hundreds of people in their homes?

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As the IDF has done. So you’re saying that the IDF is a terrorist org, right? Right??

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I say it. Yes it is! If it commits terrorism to attack his enemies then yes it’s a terrorist org.

All religious ethnic based terrorist orgs have their reason, they all believe they are doing the right thing. In the case of religious based they all believe to be the children’s of god and His favourite people.

What makes it a terrorist org isn’t reason or right or wrong sides, what makes it terrorist is the way it attacks it’s enemies to achieve their goals.

So hell yes they are terrorists because of they have done.

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