Comment by shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on Morning coffee chat

Good morning Beehaw it is currently 5:30 am in the morning here in Australia Nov 9 2024.
It may not be morning where you are but it is always morning somewhere on Earth. Plus this chat is more of a vibe. Have you been doing any hobbies lately or discovered a new tv show? Maybe you worked on something and want to share it or you recently found something you are passionate about?

It’s not something I’ve recently become interested in, but it’s something that I’m highly involved in called Monero, trying to make the world’s most private anonymous online digital cash. It’s currently being blocked in many jurisdictions from people being able to easily obtain it because it’s actually doing what it says it’s supposed to do and governments are absolutely terrified.

Edit: Exhibit A: https://primal.net/e/note1f7ektfr4r7m4305c88frthf797j2wftstr9506zjr3fc09aktr0qwqjecv

I haven’t looked into crypto in years. My main problem is the power consumption and environmental impact from most cryptos. I do like the idea of having an online currency outside the control of governments though especially when they become authoritarian.

I’ve heard that argument before, but i struggle with it. I do think regular banking, with all their buildings and people, clerks all the way to central banking, wasting entire lives on it, have a far larger total emissions.

I guess you would need to factor in the building electricity to keep the lights on etc. Though as far as I know bank transactions don’t involve highly powered machines trying to 1 up each other to solve a transaction resulting in more power being used. Tbh idk how much power that would all total to.

Lighting doesn’t matter me much. Heating is usually the environmentally dominant factor in a building I’ve learned.

Though as far as I know bank transactions don’t involve highly powered machines trying to 1 up each other

Instead you’ve thousands of lives being wasted on deciding whether to raise or lower interest rates. A fair comparison would take that into account, too.

That makes sense especially since LED lights can save a lot more energy than traditional lights while heating would still be more of a problem. I am not really qualified to talk about interest rates so I cant really comment on that.

Since a crypto mine can be set up pretty much anywhere, there’s electricity. You can get sources that would otherwise be unused, such as flaring natural gas or methane from garbage dumps, etc. as well as heating your home during the winter and making some money back instead of just wasting it all in heat.

I guess it depends how mining for that currency works. Traditional POW for example will result in lots of energy that does not need to be used. I know a few years ago POS was used by some to be more energy efficient. It has been a few years since I gave up on crypto due to environmental concerns though I am sure a lot of progress has been made since then.

Now, I will say straight out that I am a much bigger fan of proof of work than proof of stake in order to keep the system decentralized and honest. However, Monero at least is completely CPU mined and ASIC devices do not exist for it because it’s purposely been made to keep them out.

I am guessing yours and most people’s concerns with proof of work is not necessarily the power use, but the power use in such a concentrated area. And that is avoided with Monero not having ASIC devices. Because people are doing it on their desktop computers while they are taking a shower.

My problem with the power use is has coal/ fossil fuels been used that would have not been used otherwise. If being ASIC resistant leads to less coal being burnt because not everywhere uses renewable energy than it is better than the alternative of having coal hungry ASIC machines burning through resources.

That is going to be highly dependent on location. ASIC miners go for wherever the power is cheapest because they are big companies and are trying to turn a profit. Whereas people mining Monero are using their CPUs on their computers that they already have in their bedroom.

How fast are transfers in monero? That’s a thing I don’t like about BTC, the fee if you want fast transactions.

Monero does not have replaced by feet like Bitcoin does, so you can accept a zero confirmation transaction, which takes seconds up to whatever level you are comfortable with. For example, you might buy a coffee with a zero confirmation transaction in seconds, but buying a car would take 10 blocks or about 20 minutes. Fees are also stupid low. So no issue there.

Monero does not have replaced by feet

Don’t quite understand that, sorry

but buying a car would take 10 blocks or about 20 minutes

So about the same confirmation speed as BTC?

Replace by fee is a mechanism where as long as a transaction has not been confirmed yet you can replace it with a new transaction as long as it pays a higher fee but that could cause double spending which is a problem.

Also, in Bitcoin, they say, in order to make sure a transaction has really gone through, you should wait 7 blocks. And therefore, that would be 70 minutes instead of 20 minutes.

I see. Thank you for explaining clearly!

Glad I could help. If you ever decide to start playing with it, send me your wallet address and I will send you a little bit to get started with.

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