Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict?

posted 4 days ago

I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I’m an idiot.

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coolusername@lemmy.ml

19 points

3 days ago

The resistance including Hamas, Ansar Allah, Iraqi resistance, Hezbollah, etc.

but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

lol what. You do realize gaza is a concentration camp right? That’s like saying the Jews who fought back during the warsaw ghetto uprising were bad guys. Also they aren’t trying to get their hostages back at all. On oct 7 the IDF was responsible for the MAJORITY of deaths. Look up hannibal directive.

The bad guys are Zionists. Simply put they think they are superior to anyone that’s not Jewish. Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews.

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Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.worldOP

13 points

3 days ago

I actually didn’t realize Gaza was a concentration camp.

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alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml

22 points

3 days ago

In 1948, during the Nakba, Israel ethnically cleansed much of Palestine. From that (and a good portion of the ethnic cleansing Israel has done since), many of the people were driven into Gaza.

In 2006, when Israel got kicked out of Gaza due to an uprising, they built a wall around it and restricted the amount of food, fuel, and other items, and banned the gazans from constructing wells, water containers, and other things that would allow the people in Gaza to stay alive longer if Israel cut off food/water supplies.

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guemax@feddit.org

4 points

2 days ago

We learned about the displacement of Palestinians in school and it made me so angry. Great-grandchildren are being punished because their relatives (might) have fought against Israel back then. Aren’t the Israeli politicians realizing they are fueling the conflict by doing this? Well, I suppose that’s just what they want! (Please note that I am only criticizing the Israeli government, not Jews or Israel in general; you have to be very careful to not get accused of antisemitism where I live.)

P.S. I am from Germany, imagine new generations still had to suffer for the crimes the Nazis committed. That would be unforgiving and unjustified. It is our job to make sure this never happens again, though.

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alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml

4 points

2 days ago

Great-grandchildren are being punished because their relatives (might) have fought against Israel

Fighting against settler colonists who came and established an apartheid regime is not a crime.

I am only criticizing the Israeli government, […] Israel in general

Israel is a settler colonial project, an Israel that provided equal rights to all Muslims, Christians, and Jews living in its territory would be less related to the current state of Israel than modern South Africa is to Apartheid South Africa.

not Jews

Yes, we agree that it’s antisemitic as fuck to associate Jewishness with Zionism. When Israel is murdering children in public view, implying that Israel represents Jews is just blood libel with extra steps.

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guemax@feddit.org

2 points

2 days ago

Fighting against settler colonists who came and established an apartheid regime is not a crime.

But killing and kidnapping hundreds of innocent civilians is. You have to be clear about that, and also take a nuanced look at the whole conflict. There is no single good or bad side.

Apart from innocent Palestinians and Israelis (good) there are the terrorists (a.k.a. Hamas) who killed and kidnapped hundreds of civilians (bad). Then there is are the settlers, occupying land and terrorizing Palestinians (bad) with the help of the IDF. The Israeli government either looks away or even encourages them (bad). The IDF imprisons children, willingly destroys houses and infrastructure in Gaza and the west bank and executes “precision strikes” in areas of high population while also blocking humanitarian aid (bad).

I support chief investigator Khan’s arrest warrant for Netanjahu, Galant, Deif and Haniyya. Regarding the riots after trying to arrest nine IDF soldiers for abusing a Palestinian prisoner, it is obvious that Israel won’t be interested in a trial or at least not able to arrange one.

[…] an Israel that provided equal rights to all Muslims, Christians, and Jews living in its territory would be less related to the current state of Israel than modern South Africa is to Apartheid South Africa.

That is my dream. Just people living together peacefully, no matter their religion.

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alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml

1 point

2 days ago

But killing and kidnapping hundreds of innocent civilians is. You have to be clear about that

I am being clear.

Would you condemn the Polish resistance because they killed some of the German settlers who came to settle Poland during the 1940s? The South African anti-apartheid movement because they burned some Boers and their collaborators alive? Or would you say the oppressor doesn’t get to judge the morality of the tactics the oppressed use?

Requiring every antizionist to constantly stop to condemn Hamas creates a false equivalency between the people who are inside a concentration camp and the people keeping them there.

That is my dream. Just people living together peacefully, no matter their religion.

This is what existed before Israel, and god willing, it’s what we’ll have after Israel.

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TheOubliette@lemmy.ml

3 points

2 days ago

Great-grandchildren are being punished because their relatives (might) have fought against Israel back then.

They are punished because they are Palestinian and Israelis are racist occupiers.

Aren’t the Israeli politicians realizing they are fueling the conflict by doing this?

Yes, of course. Israel has a long record of maximum escalation and starting wars and ethnic cleansing. They have official doctrines of killing as many civilians as possible in bombing campaigns rather than engaging with fighters directly.

Israelis are incredibly racist.

P.S. I am from Germany, imagine new generations still had to suffer for the crimes the Nazis committed. That would be unforgiving and unjustified. It is our job to make sure this never happens again, though.

Good on you for having this position despite the racism of your government against solidarity with Palestine!

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Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.worldOP

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3 days ago

Thank you for the information. I did not know this.

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