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-30 points

nope.

tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.

longer:

If you vote for Trump, you’re selfish, psychopathic, and are trying to damage the US more than it already is.

If you vote for anyone who isn’t Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.

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tldr: If you vote for Trump, you hate America.

This part is true

If you vote for anyone who isn’t Trump, you are helping the US take a step in the right direction.

Until we are no longer bound by the Electoral College, this is dangerously false. “Not Trump” isn’t a candidate, and the single candidate with the most votes get the electoral votes. If Trump gets 49% and the “not Trump” votes get 51% but no single “not Trump” candidate gets above 49%, then Trump wins even though Trump got less votes than “not Trump”

The only way to meaningfully vote “not Trump” is to vote for the “not Trump” candidate who everyone is rallying around rather than throwing a stupid protest vote to a third party candidate.

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In the 2016 republican primary, Trump got 44.9% of the vote. Three “not Trump” candidates got 50.2% combined, but it was divided between them.

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If it is a protest vote, as goes your assumption without evidence? it’s dumb, but it’s their right.

most people vote on policy, so they’re voting for third party candidates that have a stronger stance on whatever policy there is.

in this particular election, Harris already achieved more effective policy change than third candidate platforms in terms of environmentalism, minority rights, and so on, so it makes logical sense to vote for her if you’re a political liberal, but if somebody wants to vote for Stein or anybody else because that candidate is more aligned with their views, that is just as valid as voting for Harris.

they are voting as they should, not as some are hoping they will be scared into voting.

voting sincerely is not “stupid”.

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voting sincerely is not “stupid”.

If we ever move to some kind of ranked choice or go by the popular vote instead of this gamed Electoral College system? Sure, vote your conscience. Until then, I expect people to rub two brain cells together, see and acknowledge there is a bigger picture, and realize that their moral purity protest vote is counter-productive when everything they want will be impossible if Trump wins.

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No. It really is. In 2016, 50,000 Pennsylvanians, including myself, voted for Jill Stein because we didn’t like Hilary. Trump won Pennsylvania by less than 50,000 votes and won the presidency.

It was fucking stupid and we wouldn’t even be discussing this piece of shit today, if we hadn’t revenge voted.

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Sincerity doesn’t preclude stupidity. Voting to maintain an aesthetic while knowing it’s causing greater harm is stupid.

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It is their right and it’s our right, if not duty, to call them out for exercising their right to the extreme detriment of the very constitution that grants them that right.

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32 points

Working to split the vote against Harris is effectively a vote for Trump and for fascism.

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third party voters are not working to “split the vote”, they are voting for their preferred candidate.

also known as “voting” in healthy democracies.

and no, a vote for a different candidate is not a vote for Trump, that is fundamentally inaccurate fear-based alarmism.

it’s okay that you’re afraid, but that’s no reason to dismantle democracy.

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third party voters are not working to “split the vote”, they are voting for their preferred candidate.

Unfortunately with the electoral college, it is splitting the vote. Without ranked choose voting, voting for anyone other than a D or an R is literally throwing your vote away.

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I really want this to be true, and I used to believe it, but our voting system is convoluted with a winner-takes-all mechanism. It isn’t a direct democracy where all votes are equal and it’s naive to ignore our elector-based system that encourages total domination of the big boys over everyone else.

Give me ranked choice voting and I’ll vote for my actual preferred candidate. Otherwise, I have to vote for who can actually have a chance to win.

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duverger’s “law” shows that the problem with fptp is that people strategically vote, leading to party consolidation. values voting prevents party consolidation

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Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

This explains the stupid in America’s voting system that makes “voting for not-kamala” the same as “basically voting for trump”. It sounds like idiotic extremism if you don’t have the specific context this video provides. In truth it’s just a weird aftereffect of bad voting rules. It’s worth checking out!

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i’ve been well aware of us electoral problems for a long time.

I’m assuming your video is either about ranked choice voting or the electoral College?

I am happy that Americans have finally learned about ranked choice voting this election cycle and are eagerly spreading the news, I really am.

it is “idiotic extremism” to blame third party voters for systemic problems.

you want third party voters to vote like you vote.

That’s fine.

but they don’t have to listen and them voting for Jill Stein or anybody else’s just as valid as them voting for kamala.

it may not be as effective, or logical this election cycle, since Harris has already enacted so many third-party progressive policies, but everyone should vote for their preferred candidate.

yup, FPTP videos.

I am very glad Americans are finally paying attention to this part of electoral reform.

you can track down gerrymandering, registration purges, and several other significant problems in the US electoral system that actually difference your elections.

after you collect them all, it is glaringly obvious that third party voters, who vote for good candidates, unjustifiably receive the brunt of ire that should be focused on systemic electoral policies.

voting is good.

it is good that people are voting for third party candidates.

it’s great that people are voting for Harris.

voting is good.

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