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The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace

The shooting war in Ukraine began with Yanukovych’s overthrow nine years ago, not in February 2022 as the U.S. government, NATO, and the G7 leaders would have us believe.

So many people forget that the Ukrainian Russian conflict never really ended, the idea that it was an unprovoked invasion is absurd, (and no, before someone decides to make a braindead comment, provoked does not mean justified.) There have been many leaked videos pre-invasion of violence towards both sides, and neither side made a proper effort to actually quell it, only surface level bullshit inorder to take the "moral ground:

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Westerners usually don’t know any of that, because Western governments, NGOs, and corporate media erase all inconvenient context and history. I try to point folks toward developing real media literacy

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@davel @drwankingstein All of which have their biases and really a very limited subsample of viewpoints and history.

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Holy shit I didn’t know admins in this place were full blown Russian lickers. I don’t know about you but I would gladly have my country join nato if that means not ending up like Georgia or now Ukraine twice.

Also congrats on getting Finland to finally join nato btw.

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You are on the Russian instance my friend. I would strongly recommend finding a new home.

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What instance do you suggest?

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By Russian instance you mean one where people engage with reality that’s uncomfortable for the utterly brainwashed people like yourself?

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always hilarious to see nafoids show up here

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@Samueru @davel Is there something about people from lemmy.ml that makes them only capable of insults as opposed to rational discussions?

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Or that’s what this would be on Lemmy.ml. They are all tankies and they get mad when you point out terrible things like facts.

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What rational discussion is to be had when one country is clearly annexing another since 2014 lmao?

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Right??? They act like they are concerned about what events could have taken place to ensure that the invasion never happened. Guess what could have occurred that would have been the biggest guarantee that the invasion could never happen? Ukraine joining NATO prior to the invasion…

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All NATO wanted to do was to use Ukraine as a tool to weaken Russia, and now NATO will discard Ukraine like a used condom. That’s the fate of all the vassals of the empire.

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@theunknownmuncher @Samueru Like Russia placing nukes in Cuba guaranteed we wouldn’t invade it?

The thing about not being willing to learn from history is that you are then destined to repeat the same mistakes.

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Cool, maybe the US will blow up its new ally’s pipelines too someday. We are not a trustworthy ally.

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NATO will continue expanding as more and more border countries don’t want to deal with limp dick Putin. Russia will be broken up to small territories and anything that remains of the federation will be scrapped and sold for salvage to finance rebuilding what has been lost.

Ta-ta!

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That is what the US has wanted for the last 25 years, but it’s unlikely to happen. The Global North has very significantly de-industrialized itself, and its attempts at sanctions not only haven’t worked, but are having the effect of it isolating itself from the global majority. Russia has aligned with the Global South. Hence BRICS+ and the larger developing multipolar bloc that’s going its own way, ignoring the US’ “rules-based international order” sanctions, developing its own international balance of payments outside of US dollar hegemony, and working to get out from under the boot of the IMF’s & World Bank’s debt traps.

the federation will be scrapped and sold for salvage

The neocolonial plunderers already tried that, and they even got away with under Yeltsin, but then Putin kicked them out, which is why they’re especially butthurt about him.

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@CaptDust @davel When you need to resort to insults like this it’s a clear sign you’ve lost the argument.

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Not always, but often 😂

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