Comment by Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on Finnish soldier looking at a burning town in Karelia, 1944

Fuck Russia. Nobody with a sane mind in the EU wants the worthless destructive Muscovites to return.

Certainly can’t think of any other nations that are or were in the EU who did shit like this in the 40’s.

Speaking of which… This is 1944. The savvy history buff might know that the Winter War ended before then, and ask themselves why Karelia is burning in that case?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

Oh, look at who Finland is allies with!

The difference is that Germany is ashamed of what they did during that time, and their national ethos is never doing that again.

Meanwhile, Russia idolises the imperialism of the Soviet Union, the only change is that some of their marches have swastikas as well as the hammer and sickle.

Finland had a right to defend itself against the Soviets, and it’s not like the West didn’t ally with a genocidal mass murderer as well.

Nazi simps, lol, just straight up using nationalist slurs while ignoring the actual context of the photo in question and having the sheer fucking GALL to compare those alliances.

All while babbling about how “they don’t repent their history, not like our totally justified alliance with fucking Hitler”

Yes, I know what that sopuli.xyz means, you hypocrite.

The Winter War was one thing, trying to help the Nazis win an actively genocidal war was another.

Shouldn’t you be defending Kursk right now or something?

I’m an anarchist, but nice try, shitlib.

I’m an anarchist

sure thing edgelord. sure.

Anarchist who spreads Russian lies and propaganda. Try your anarchist shit there and see how far your love for them goes.

Talk about hypocritical. Forgetting the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact are you?

Russia are Nazis through and through. Their genocide, their imperialism, their standing up of the most horrific dictators around the world.

Don’t you ever forget Russia would be speaking German if not for America and keep your bullshit Nazi propaganda to yourself.

I’m not Finnish. And what nationalist slurs?

The US helped win an actively genocidal war for Stalin. I don’t fault them, even though a US bombing run caused lifelong suffering to my loved ones, because on the Eastern front there were no good guys, and using one mass murderer to kill another is fair.

All I’m saying is that there is no difference between the genocidal imperialism of Hitler, and the genocidal imperialism of Stalin. Both murdered millions, yet only one of them has a following in their homeland that is not actively persecuted.

In the most of Eastern Europe, where these madmen committed their crimes, if you wave a swastika flag around, or one with a hammer and sickle, you are going to jail either way, as it should be. Just like in Germany. Why not in Russia?

I’m trying to wrap my head around being so goddamn ignorant that I don’t know the Nazis planned to genocide or enslave every Slav as someone that lives in their future Lebensraum but the reality is you’re just full of it.

Damn, I wonder why the Finns would ally with the nazis after being brutally attacked just a few years earlier

The Finns knew beyond doubt about the Holocaust, and they chose to help the nation enacting it out of self interest.

Cope.

You’d be better off pointing out that the President and fascist sympathizer that enacted that alliance was put on trial when the Finns swapped sides after they saw the Nazis were losing and convicted for his crimes, and that they, like Franco and some nations in the Balkans, mostly didn’t comply with Nazi demands to hand over their Jewish population, so in terms of “Aiding the Holocaust” guilt they’re somewhere between Vichy France and Fascist Italy.

You’d be better off pointing out that the President and fascist sympathizer that enacted that alliance was put on trial when the Finns swapped sides after they saw the Nazis were losing and convicted for his crimes,

The idea that Risto Ryti was a fascist sympathizer is… a reach.

and that they, like Franco and some nations in the Balkans, mostly didn’t comply with Nazi demands to hand over their Jewish population, so in terms of “Aiding the Holocaust” guilt they’re somewhere between Vichy France and Fascist Italy.

Finland is… between Vichy France and Fascist Italy in Holocaust guilt?

Vichy France and Fascist Italy both gleefully shipped off their Jewish populations to be murdered. The Finns took a horrific side, but at no point did they give up their own Jewish citizens to the Nazis.

Vichy France and Fascist Italy were both much more gruesome and eager collaborators.

Finland is slightly better than the Soviet Union in that their Nazi collaboration was in response to a mass campaign of ethnic cleansing (of almost half a million Finns expelled by the Soviets after the unjustified aggression of the Winter War) rather than preceded by a mass campaign of ethnic cleansing (of Poles in the USSR by the Soviets before the joint Nazi-Soviet invasion of Poland). Both remain unconscionable.

1: If “sympathizer” is a reach it’s only because “collaborator and ally” is more damning and accurate.

2: And Italy was divided enough over fascism to fight a civil war and have a native resistance when offered a chance, instead of swapping sides when it was clear their preferred side was losing. They still willingly and knowingly enabled the Holocaust, and a war with the Soviets that they knew was both ideologically and racially motivated with plans for extermination and mass slavery.

If you’d like some reading on the topic of their knowing collaboration with the Nazi plans:

https://humanityinaction.org/knowledge_detail/helsinki-on-the-brink-finland-and-the-holocaust-era/

I think they do a pretty good job of staying as unbiased as possible in it.

3: It wasn’t an ethnic cleansing, it was a voluntary evacuation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuation_of_Finnish_Karelia

Though, of course, that half a million people voluntarily evacuated rather than being part of Stalin’s USSR says a lot in itself.

Do you know why? Who decided not help Finland to kick the Soviets out of the territory they took? The USA and UK, because you clowns were helping the number 2 ranked murderer, Stalin and sick Bolsheviks. Finland had no choice but to ask fucking Hitler for help. The disgusting part, the Americans and British already knew who the next enemy was after the Nazis were finished off. I always laugh at the Americans who believe in fighting for “Freedom and Democracy,” what a load of bullshit. The Suomi were building a democracy and they were attacked with US military aid sent to the fucking Soviets.

Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

Cut an anarchist and a Russian stooge bleeds

Whatever lets you sleep at night, but we both know you’d have been the coward in the village pretending they don’t know why no one comes out of the camps.

Russia joined Nazi Germany in an alliance during WW2.

Russia is murdering civilians without pause and you are okay with this.

Your brand of anarchy is garbage.

Ah yes, Europe, the sanest and most just of all ‘continents’

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