Comment by MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml on Nevar Forget

This proves that left leaning holdouts have real leverage. The Dems need us to win and if they want our votes they have to appeal to our values.

I guess…

Alternatively, left leaning holdouts for some reason really like to punch themselves and all their friends and family in the nuts and are a real wanker class.

Edit: At least 11 people are giant fuckin wankers

Supporting genocide crosses a line for me that I am unwilling to compromise on. If that makes me a wanker I’ll call myself a wanker proudly.

Trump is a clear supporter of the genocide. He wants Israel to destroy Palestine and he wants the US to do more to help them accomplish this. Harris is nowhere near as bad as this. She’s not going to withdraw support for Israel, but she’s at least going to try to rein them in and return to the pre-war status. Not great, but realistically the best that we can hope for with how supportive our politicians are of Israel in general.

These are the only two people that have a chance at the White House. If you don’t want to support the genocide, don’t waste your vote on somebody that is absolutely, without a doubt, going to lose. Instead, use it to vote for the one candidate that is possibly able to win over the person that is explicitly, unequivocally supportive of the genocide.

In my eyes, not voting for Harris is supporting the genocide. Anything that allows Trump into office is supporting the genocide.

So the only thing I can do if I want to end the genocide is to vote for the person currently doing the genocide?

The “democracy” isn’t worth saving at this point

“My vote can’t end the genocide immediately, so I might as well accelerate it”

What an asshole position.

Who do you think the US president is right now?

I’ll consider believing there’s a difference between Kamala and Joe when Kamala says there’s a difference. Until then, you’re just making up a reality in your mind where she is somehow better than him on this despite showing no indication of that.

That’s extremely entitled of you. You’re willing to throw away a flawed democracy to allow fascism to take over because you don’t like either viable candidate? Absolutely childish. I guess the LGBTQ folk, minority folk, women, and everyone else who will suffer under Trump don’t matter one bit to you, and ironically you’ll accelerate the genocide in Gaza by letting Trump win.

You don’t have a choice for “no genocide” because Israel has no intention of stopping. You can choose the one viable candidate who has a chance at lessening it, or you can choose the other candidate who has explicitly stated he will let Netanyahu do whatever he wants. Third party votes accomplish absolutely nothing for Gaza, and the Palestinians sure as hell won’t thank you for it.

You’re willing to throw away a flawed democracy to allow fascism to take over

The only 2 viable candidates are both pro genocide

Fascism has already taken over and according to you there’s nothing I can do about it

So the only thing I can do if I want to end the genocide is to vote for the person currently doing the genocide?

You either think Joe Biden is still running for re-election or you don’t understand the powers of the vice president.

left leaning holdouts for some reason really like to punch themselves and all their friends and family in the nuts

My brother is voting for Jill Stein because Biden (and by association Harris) supposedly supports genocide - but he thinks Putin is a good person (and has recently started talking about how great China is) and waves his hand when I mention that Trump would support Netanyahu even more. Your “for some reason” resonates with me because I have no fucking idea what happened to my brother to make him start saying this kind of nonsense - except that I know he stopped reading books and now gets his news entirely from his Facebook feed.

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