Comment by corroded@lemmy.world on Lots of PCs are poised to fall off the Windows 10 update cliff one year from today

Win10 LTSC still has quite a few years left.

What’s the point of staying with Windows 10? You’re just pushing the problem further ahead in time. You might as well start leaning Linux now, instead of waiting til you have no other choice.

I can only speak for myself, but I have always had bad luck with Linux on desktop. Something always breaks, isn’t compatible, or requires a lengthy installation process involving compiling multiple libraries because no .deb or .rpm is available.

On servers, it’s fantastic. If you count VMs, I have far more Linux installations than Windows. In general, I use Win10 LTSC for anything that requires a GUI and Ubuntu Server for anything that only needs CLI or hosts a web interface.

My experience with Arch and BTRFS has been nothing but great. If my system break I can just roll back a snapshot.

I avoid Debian, Ubuntu or other distros that hold back package versions because that’s where the problem starts in my opinion. I shouldn’t have to use workarounds to install the packages I want. Arch with the AUR just work so far.

Try Pop_OS!, it just works.

https://pop.system76.com/

Most of those CLI instances I had to do on week one.

Since then… Hardly ever. (On Pop_OS!)

At least for me, the whole “made by devs for devs” isn’t really the major downfall. It’s the fact that it can’t be trusted to remain functional in a dynamic environment. I like using the command line, but sometimes that’s just not enough.

If I need a specific software package, I can download the source, compile it, along with the 100 of libraries that they chose not to include in the .tar.gz file, and eventually get it running.

However, when I do an “apt update” and it changes enough, then the binary I compiled earlier is going to stop working. Then I spend hours trying to recompile it along with it’s dependencies, only to find that it doesn’t support some obscure sub-version of a package that got installed along with the latest security updates.

In a static environment, where I will never change settings or install software (like my NAS), it’s perfect. On my desktop PC, I just want it to work well enough so I can tinker with other things. I don’t want to have to troubleshoot why Gnome or KDE isn’t working with my video drivers when all I want to do is launch remote desktop so I can tinker with stuff on a server that I actually want to tinker with.

This isn’t an issue anymore with flatpacks and snaps. I’ve been using Pop_OS for years now and I’ve never had to compile anything. If the deb isn’t available, or is the wrong version, there is a flatpack of the latest version. These aren’t tied to system package versions so you don’t run into dependency hell. It’s all managed through the pop shop so you never have to use the command line to install software at all.

Ironic that Windows has become the same way. New functionality is available first as a Powershell command before the GUI control is written. This is because those are two efforts. First you write the function then you need to call the function from a GUI element.

Ironic #2 is that Pop_OS comes with more settings available in the GUI than any other Linux I have used. Maybe you haven’t tried it.

To say no distro can fix is nonsense. Any distro can make new GUI elements and because it’s open source once the work is done other distros can add the same to their own menus.

Just like it has taken Microsoft over a decade to develop the new settings app, they still haven’t achieved feature parity with the control panel. This should make obvious how much hard work is required.

So the solution is that we just need to write more GUI menus for linux and I’m fine with that. It’s nice to have the option to use a menu or edit the text file. Then everyone gets what they want.

Might try again. It’s come leaps and bounds in the past few years. I’ve been Linux only for the past few years after dual booting for many and the one thing I miss is game pass. Every game I’ve tried on steam or gog works — often better than on windows.

Some people just need to use Windows you know?

But if you can’t run Windows 11 then you’re on your own once the support for 10 stops…

Ok, but if you need to use Windows then people telling you “Just install Linux” isn’t a solution.

QEMU is para-virtualization at near native speeds and supports GPU pass through for ya vidyagames.

Needing Windows isn’t just about video games

Staying on an old and unsecure OS sure is a solution, but it’s incredibly fucking stupid.

At least you could install Linux and use an old Windows version inside a VM instead of running a vulnerable system on bare metal. That way you can still use Windows when you need to.

Windows isn’t any less vulnerable now than 1 week after end of support.

Windows Mixed Reality (ie: Windows VR) was deprecated and removed from Windows 11.

So, if you have a WMR VR Set, you’re going to be stuck with Windows 10 (or an even lesser supported Version of windows 11 - v 23H2).

It really sucks, given the price point I’ve throughly enjoying my Odyssey+. I’ve had it for 4 years, but now I’d need to decide if I dual boot (which sucks) or see if another VR headset reaches my price point (which is also dumb, because I don’t find the O+ to be “that bad”).

It’s not available for individual consumers though unless you pirate it, isn’t it? (which makes it perfectly good reason to pirate it)

Pirating it is a bad idea if you’re downloading it from a non-Microsoft source, since malware would be a big risk. That would defeat the purpose of installing a supported OS in the first place. If you download it from Microsoft and use a pirated key maybe that would work, but would you get the security updates?

Are there people downloading Windows copies somewhere else than straight from Microsoft? I haven’t used Windows on my computers in 10 years but back then you installed it in trial mode and then activated / kept it activated with KMS tools.

Type “github MAS” into your favorite search engine.

Oh, how nice of Microsoft to host it!

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