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Yeah and?

Israel invaded their country and is committing genocide. It should come to no one’s surprise that Israel fucks around and finds out during a war they started.

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This round of fighting started after the Hamas attack though.

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Exactly! This is why I say Israel has a right to defend itself while Hamas should not be allowed to exist.

Though recent events (like Israel’s pager attack) have made this argument much weaker…

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there is under international law a diffrent set of rules of war the Palistianans operate under than Isn’treal do as Palistine is seen as an opressed and colonised people fighting for independence

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Source?

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Israel killing civilians does not excuse Hama’s killing civilians.

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Nooo why are people hating the colonialists :(

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Israel bombs civilians : OMG!

Hamas bombs civilians: GOOD.

Jesus Lemmy

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Yeah, how dare people treat a genocidal state and a people resisting genocide to different standards!!!1!

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Genocidal state? Are we talking about America?

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Just wondering, when do you think this war started?

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a war they started.

There are chances the outcome would be different if hamas released hostages, or didn’t attack Israel on October 7th. Those things were not smart. It didn’t serve any good purpose. A smarter thing would have been to prepare for such an attack from Israel by building defenses to protect civilians at the very least.

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No there are not, this has been ongoing for decades and decades. Things would not have magically improved, it would have continued to be a slow death sentence whilst the world ignored it.

What Hamas did, no matter how tragic, has done more to bring light and international support to the plight of the Palestinian peoples and exposed Israel as the monster it is than anything else ever has.

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What Hamas did had a totally unsurprising result, as distressing as that is, that inevitably resulted in, and continues to result in, unacceptable civilian suffering. Moreover, even though Israel has slow walked towards a regressive ethnofascist state since at least the Rabin’s assassination, the October attack straight up merced whatever dwindling progressive peace activist movements on the Israeli side that were still continuing the struggle.

One can be anti-Zionist and pro-basic human decency without romanticizing a violent religious fundamentalist organization that has at this point done almost nothing but harm to the interests and well-being of the people whom it purports to be protecting.

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That didn’t worth it in my opinion. The level of international support is nowhere enough. And again, they could build defenses to decrease the number of victims.

Also the premise of “Israel is a monster” sentiment is hugely weakened by the monstrosity of the October attack itself.

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What part of that is in civil? Or they mad about the bibi part?

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