Comment by capital@lemmy.world on Men Harassed A Woman In A Driverless Waymo, Trapping Her In Traffic

What country do you live in? I’m curious which one has no theft or violent crime.

Not OP check out my username for an idea of where I live. Besides a bit of gang on gang action in our capital, violent crimes are extremely rare. It’s maybe once a year that police have to shoot at a person, and even then police officers will assess the situation and if possible not go for center mass.

Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

Note how I left out theft. That’s because you can’t directly use violence to protect property.

I remember hearing this when I lived in the UK for a few years and I was blown away. What are you expected to do if being robbed? Let it happen?

Pretty much; then get the police to deal with it.

Yeah, not here.

I’ve had shit stolen. The police “handled it” to an extent but we will never get back priceless family heirlooms given to us from my wife’s side of the family. Fuck thieves.

Did you not have a gun at the time? Or did your ownership of a gun not prevent the theft?

Agreed thieves are terrible.

Not many better options if you are getting robbed though.

I’ll opt for stopping it, given the chance.

You do what the police do, and provide a proportionate response.

A gun is only to be used if you are in imminent danger of your life. A robbery is arguably not that, unless they’re trying to steal your organs or prostheses.

There’s a reason your average supermarket security guard doesn’t immediately whip out the Mini-Nuke the moment they see a shoplifter.

There’s also something to be said about the place you’re living in, where you’re to be terrified of stabbists and robberers the moment you step out-of-doors. Do you live in a hive of scum and villainy?

There is a solution, it’s called insurance. I know that you wouldn’t get your family heirlooms back, but neither would you being armed but not home.

I know the other guy wouldn’t say it, so I’ll go ahead and do it: you sound like you’re out for revenge, but you don’t know on whom to exact it. I fear that you could end up shooting a porch pirate in the back while claiming self defense.

you sound like you’re out for revenge

They’ve taken the mask off and said the quiet part out loud: They’re just out to kill people they think of as less than human.

There is a solution, it’s called insurance. I know that you wouldn’t get your family heirlooms back

Then it isn’t exactly a solution, is it? The jewelry probably only would appraise for <$1000 (probably far less). It’s not about the monetary cost.

but neither would you being armed but not home.

Yeah…? I don’t get this line of argument. This just in - guns only effective when there’s a human there to operate it. No shit…

You’re simultaneously arguing that guns are overkill to solve theft and that guns don’t solve theft.

I fear that you could end up shooting a porch pirate in the back while claiming self defense.

The state I live in currently wouldn’t allow for me to use deadly force to protect property. But states I’ve lived in in the past sure would. As of now, I would have to be in fear of great bodily harm or death in order to employ deadly force and that’s the standard I will follow. Just keep in mind that many robberies involve a deadly weapon on the perpetrators side which is an immediate green light on my end.

Call the police. Are you in physical danger? If not why are you putting yourself in physical danger?

I don’t think I understand your question.

What scenario are you imagining with these questions?

There’s a difference between “violent crime exists” and “violent crime is so prevalent that regular citizens need to carry around an implement designed to kill people quickly while they go about their daily lives.”

I’ve never been in a serious vehicle accident.

Still wear my seat belt though.

“Wearing a seatbelt is the same as walking around with a device that can near instantly kill people.” Is something said by someone living in a dystopia.

It was a preparedness analogy which seems to have gone over your head.

Is something said by someone living in a dystopia.

You’ve had a variation on this in just about every response. It’s getting very old. We get it, US bad.

Was my statement wrong in any way?

If it’s getting old stop trying to argue against it by saying the dystopian attitude is necessary.

Thinking that it is better to cause harm o an attacker rather than permitting the attacker to harm oneself is not a dystopian attitude.

A place in which it is possible that someone might try to hurt you isn’t a dystopia. It’s a natural part of reality.

A place in which no aggression exists is, however, a utopia.

Was my statement wrong in any way?

Do you know how analogies work? Of course the two things I compared are different.

It’s like if I said “a fish swimming is like a bird flying” and you coming along and saying “omg swimming and flying are the same now???/”

I even spelled it out - it’s about preparedness.

There’s a difference between “violent crime exists” and “violent crime is so prevalent that regular citizens need to carry around an implement designed to kill people quickly while they go about their daily lives.”

Only if you haven’t yet experienced violent crime.

I carry a weapon because of one violent encounter I experienced in 2009.

I decided that I never want it to happen again, so I am content to carry a weapon for the 1/1000000 times that it happens.

I’ve had hundreds of thousands of encounters with strangers and only one of them involved the stranger trying to seriously hurt me. That one was enough to change my view on the nature of reality.

Crashes don’t have to be prevalent in one’s life in order to wear a seatbelt.

I have sympathy for someone who’s actually been a victim of violent crime, and it’s a shame therapy isn’t a more viable option. However, there’s a big difference between
“I was a victim of violent crime and feel more comfortable having a means of protection on me” and
“This might lead to robberies.”
“That’s what guns are for.”

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