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… Yeah. Iran “doesn’t strike first”. They just back terrorist groups with funding, supplies, and planning so that they can strike instead.

Please do yourself a favor and actually educate yourself on the clusterfuck that is the middle east rather than just parroting whatever a twitch streamer tells you. This has been going in cycles for decades.

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There is a significant difference between proxies and a direct missile attack launched by a nation-state. Just as there is a significant difference between the US arming a genocidal state, and the US actually dropping bombs directly on civilians. Not to say Iran and the US are not blameless for the actions of their proxies, but there are degrees here that are significant. You kneejerk “Iran bad, Israel good” view of the world is devoid of nuance. Maybe you should get yourself a twitch stream.

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Where did I ever say

“Iran bad, Israel good”

But hey, much easier to attack a strawman, right?

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Believe it or not, but you don’t have to explicitly state something for you to be doing something. It’s extremely obvious that you approached this news with that bias.

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*centuries

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Well. The current conflict with Israel only really goes back about 80-ish years. And there are strong arguments that the current iranian proxy wars are a different conflict with different root causes but… yeah.

The region itself? Most of that goes back to when The West decided to redraw borders with no real logic other than guaranteeing cyclic wars of ethnic cleansing between warlord. I want to say that is more 150-ish years, but I genuinely forget. So it very well could be centuries in that regard.

But the way to think of it? The former is why EVERYONE hates Israel. The latter is why nobody is actually interested in helping the Palestinians and just view them as a way to bleed IDF resources and give the government rope to hang themselves with.

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I would say the current cycle of violence can be said to have begun after WWI and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. But there have been plenty more cycles of sectarian and tribal violence in the region over the centuries.

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Bit of it, yeah. But Iran in particular is a mid-20th century clusterfuck of British and US interference.

Honestly the best thing we can all do is wean ourselves off oil so it can go back to being a scattering of unimportant desert tribes.

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