cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/17045970
From Wikipedia
Stampede events that involve humans are extremely rare and are unlikely to be fatal.[5] According to Keith Still, professor of crowd science at Manchester Metropolitan University, “If you look at the analysis, I’ve not seen any instances of the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede. People don’t die because they panic. They panic because they are dying”.[5]
Paul Torrens, a professor at the Center for Geospatial Information Science at the University of Maryland, remarks that “the idea of the hysterical mass is a myth”.[5] Incidents involving crowds are often reported by media as the results of panic.[16][17] However, the scientific literature has explained how panic is a myth which is used to mislead the attention of the public from the real causes of crowd incidents, such as a crowd crush.[18][19][20] […] [M]ost major crowd disasters can be prevented by simple crowd management strategies.[22] Crushes can be prevented by organization and traffic control, such as barriers. […] Such incidents are invariably the product of organisational failures.[4]
I can’t name the last time someone has died in a “stampede”. It’s probably all the egress and occupancy regulations we have to mitigate them.
Yes, those help the vast majority of the time, even during extremely dangerous situations like buildings being on fire.
There are still occasional incidents when organizers don’t plan for the crowds or when anti riot tactics are used to restrict the ability to disperse while using tear gas and other techniques that are designed to make people panic so they will disperse, intentionally causing a stampede.
This one in South Korea is pretty recent (October 2022).
A special police team conducted an investigation of the disaster within a few days of it occurring, and concluded on 13 January 2023 that the police and governments’ failure to adequately prepare for the crowds, despite a number of ignored warnings, was the cause of the incident.
The last time in Germany, at least as I can remember, was the 2010 Loveparade disaster in Duisburg, that has happened due to enormous errors made by the organisers.
that has happened due to enormous errors made by the organisers.
And the police.
Crowd crushes which are often wrongly called stampedes still happen, even if “first world” countries. A recentish US-based example would be Travis Scott’s Astroworld concert.
That fucker egged it on too. I can’t believe he didn’t face any real consequences for that.
No he didn’t. He literally pauses the show to see if everything’s ok. He’s an artist on stage with a million stage lights in his face and none of his crew or managers, or back stage people, or security, telling him that anything is happening.
Reddit just decided that it was the scary black rapper’s fault rather than LIVE NATION, the literal largest concert organizers in the world who were contractually and legally responsible for organizing the venue, security, crowd management, the emergency response plan, etc.
And guess what the court cases have shown? That Live Nation had exactly zero crowd management plan and didn’t stop the show when they should have.
You are literally just falling for the exact same pro business, blame someone other than the organizers, attitude that OP is posting about.
