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Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo. Going this wild about a common grammatical construct because it reminds you of people you hate for existing isn’t conservative, it’s something far worse.

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Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo.

That’s just what Conservatism claims to be about, but it has always been regressive

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I think we agree that most self-identified conservatives aren’t actually very invested in the status quo or tradition, and are actually regressive reactionaries, but I think it’s a clearer point to say that most self-identified conservatives aren’t in fact conservative, than that conservatism isn’t actually what people (claim they) mean when they say conservative. At that point, conservatism loses its meaning.

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At that point, conservatism loses its meaning.

Conservatism hasn’t lost its meaning, conservatism just never meant what conservatives claimed it meant; it’s always been a façade.

Conservatism is about conserving (and reinforcing) power structures; all talk about ‘tradition’ and ‘stability’/‘status-quo’ is wool over your eyes.

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Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo.

No, that’s a lie conservatives tell to make their ideology seem less abhorrent.

What conservatism is actually about is perpetuating hierarchy.

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That would be the tradition they favor.

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One could argue that so called “traditions” they are holding so much dearly in their heart never was fully a thing and is just the product of past idealizations and marketing propaganda. “The perfect suburban american trad family” from the 60s is a construct made by marketing people to sell fridges, diamond and beautiful car.

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Idealizing a fake era of greatness which came before the weak, but also very powerful bad people took it away.

Now where have I heard that one before? 🤔

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It was an era of greatness, but conservatives destroyed it.

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“The perfect suburban american trad family” from the 60s

Had one working parent and stay at home moms. But they don’t give a single fuck about that part of it, do they?

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They don’t talk about the 90% top tax rate either.

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In liberal democracy, the status quo is liberalism. Conservatism was to conserve the monarchy and aristocracy.

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There is a difference between historical conservatism and what it has become. Even setting that aside, there is much daylight between what a movement will profess and what it will ultimately produce.

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No, there really isn’t. True conservatism is an unbroken line from royalists, to confederates, to nazis, to Trump.

It’s the allegedly small government, pro-freedom “conservatives” – i.e. self-deluded liberals who mislabeled themselves – who were the aberration.

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Fascism. The word you want is fascism.

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