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2 points

2 months ago

That’s why you show him one, before asking what that same car viewed from a different angle is.

I had never seen a recumbent bike before. I only needed to see one to know and recognize one whenever I see one. Even one with a different color or make and model. The human brain definitely works differently.

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novibe@lemmy.ml

0 points

2 months ago

You know what bicycle are though. And you’re heard of recumbent bikes or things similar to it.

If you had never heard of anything similar at all to bikes, and saw a picture of a recumbent bike from the front only, you’d probably think “ I have no fucking idea what that is”.

Idk man, weird for you to think humans can kinda learn fully about something without all the required context.

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0 points

2 months ago

you keep missing the fact that I don’t know out of nowhere. You would have just shown me one and told me what it was. Yes of course I’d be able to tell you what it was. You just taught me. With one example.

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novibe@lemmy.ml

2 points

2 months ago

To understand a recumbent bicycle you have to understand bicycles. To understand bicycles you have to understand wheels. You have to understand humans, and human transportation. What IS transportation. What are roads. What is a pedal. What is steering. How physics works for objects in motion. Etc etc etc etc.

You truly underestimate the amount of context and previous knowledge you need to understand even the simplest things.

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1 point

2 months ago

You point to me and tell me this is a bike. If we go around it 90 degrees and you ask me what it is, I can still tell you it’s a bike, even though I don’t know what one does or is used for. absolutely none of what you mentioned. i need no context. I only need to be able to tell that you pointed to the same object the second time even though I’m viewing it from a slightly different angle.

You point and say “this is a bike”, we walk around it, you point again and ask me “what is that?” I reply “a bike… you’ve just told me!”

Neural networks simply can’t do that. It won’t even recognize that it is the same object if it wasn’t specifically trained to recognze it from all angles. You’re talking about a completely different thing, which I never mentioned.

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novibe@lemmy.ml

1 point

2 months ago

Now imagine you have 0 knowledge or understanding of anything.

You don’t understand there is a thing called vision. You don’t know about dimensions. You don’t understand that objects exist. That things have shapes, colors perhaps. That there are materials.

You don’t even have eyes per se, or any other sensor. You can’t see.

You don’t understand what thoughts are. What concepts are, nevertheless any concepts themselves.

If I showed you a side-plane picture of a car, directly plugged into your brain, do you think you’d recognize “cars” if we suddenly also gave you eyes and legs and told you walk around downtown?

From the moment you are born you are “trained”. From the moment the first strains of organic molecules closed themselves off from their environment, they’ve been “trained”.

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1 point

2 months ago

again, whoosh. you missed the part where you train me before asking the question. Then i can extrapolate. And I need very few examples, as little as 1.

I’m talking from the perspective of having actually coded this stuff, not just speculating. A neural network can interpolate, but it sure as hell can’t extrapolate anything that was not in its training.

Also, as a human, I can also train myself.

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