Comment by vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone on US: Muslim groups urge voters to back Jill Stein, Cornel West or other pro-Palestine candidates

“After extensive consultation, discussion, and deliberation, the American Muslim 2024 Election Task Force has decided to encourage American Muslims to vote for any presidential candidate of their choosing who supports a permanent ceasefire in Gaza and a US arms embargo on the Israeli government, such as candidates Dr Jill Stein, Dr Cornel West or Chase Oliver,” read the statement, obtained by Middle East Eye.

The statement was written by the American Muslim 2024 Election Task Force, an umbrella group formed this year that consists of a number of prominent Muslim organisations including the political arms of Americans for Justice in Palestine (AJP), Cair, and the US Council of Muslim Organizations.

“We cannot endorse Vice President Kamala Harris’ candidacy because of her refusal to even consider imposing the arms embargo on the Israeli government required by US laws and her failure to promise any other changes whatsoever to President Biden’s failed policy of steadfast financial, diplomatic and military support for Israel’s genocide in Gaza,” the statement read.

Are any of these people actually relevant? Because this is not how you get your way, so I really hope they are not representing any actual constituent communities.

What do you propose Muslim-Americans do to stop genocide?

Either way, Muslim-Americans make up a significant population in Michigan, enough to sway the swing state. Harris is playing with fire with her commitment to maintaining the Party Line on genocide.

I think you can figure this one out if you try.

Telling your members to vote third party six weeks before the election is the exact opposite of that.

This is saying “we have no power, we give up”.

Voting for Harris is saying “we have no power, we give up”. It’s allowing the Democratic Party to deteriorate further into an imperialist party. They’re going to get so much worse if they come to believe they can kill unlimited Palestinians and face zero consequences.

And what would the Republican response be? The exact same, or even worse, they care even less about people in general unless they are millionaire donors.

Because no third party is winning this election, so those are the two actual results possible. Any other choice won’t accomplish anything at all, no matter what you keep telling yourself. In the real world, at this time, voting for a 3rd party doesn’t teach the major parties anything. It just throws your vote away. Which you are free to do, but don’t think you’re somehow better than others voting for a candidate that could actually be in office. 3rd party candidates can say whatever they want, they’ll never have to actually follow through on any of it.

If Democrats win despite doing genocide, they will also get worse. It will prove they can kill as many people as they want and face zero consequences, and they will absolutely take full advantage and double down.

The Republican response could be worse, but as a result of Trump the Democrats would be forced to oppose them. I don’t hold out hope that Democrats finally reject Israel but the pro-Palestinian caucus within the Party will become much stronger while the pro-Israel caucus weakens.

Do not forget Trump oversaw the largest protest movement in American history. With a little more organization and less reliance on spontaneity we can defeat him while he’s still in office.

With a little more organization and less reliance on spontaneity we can defeat him while he’s still in office.

I want what you’re smoking.

If the rapist gets into office, say goodbye to Ukraine, goodbye to Palestine (remember, his kid is eyeing up property there already) and potentially goodbye to NATO. If the US leaves that, Putin will move further into Europe, and the question of “where will WWIII kick off?” stops being an automatic “in the Middle East”.

Giving 34 Felonies another go at the presidency would be disastrous. For a lot more then just the idiots that voted third party.

The Republican response is irrelevant because we have no power to move them.

We may have some, however slight, power to move Democrats.

I think you can figure this one out if you try.

Seems like you’re hinting that they should just accept that genocide is a fact of life for Muslims, instead of pressuring to change it. Easy to say when you aren’t the target.

Telling your members to vote third party six weeks before the election is the exact opposite of that.

Stein has been polling ahead of Harris for months with Muslim-American voters, this isn’t a new thing. Harris has had the time and information to pivot, and hasn’t.

Seems like you’re hinting that they should just accept that genocide is a fact of life for Muslims, instead of pressuring to change it.

Hell no. But this is politics. Taking your ball and going home gets you nothing.

If you have the power to swing Michigan you are the most important voters in the election that don’t live in Pennsylvania. You can leverage that into a deal.

But you are going to have to be clear that you’re asking. “Stop the genocide” isn’t it. She’s not the one killing people. The only person that can actually stop the genocide is Bibi. He’s not on the ballot in November. You have to make an ask and it’s gotta be clear and it’s got to be something that you can realistically get.

Also, the other guys need to be convinced you can hold up your own side of the deal. Can you deliver Michigan? Or are you just posturing?

The way I see it, this statement gets no progress on the first, and actively harms the second. After this statement, an endorsement from them would be worse than useless. If these organizations can’t deliver Michigan, the campaign will just roll the dice with the “moderates”.

This statement is political malpractice.

Easy to say when you aren’t the target.

What the actual fuck dude.

If you have the power to swing Michigan you are the most important voters in the election that don’t live in Pennsylvania. You can leverage that into a deal.

That’s what they are doing. Promising unconditional support for Harris despite her pushing for continued genocide has no leverage.

But you are going to have to be clear that you’re asking. “Stop the genocide” isn’t it. She’s not the one killing people. The only person that can actually stop the genocide is Bibi. He’s not on the ballot in November. You have to make an ask and it’s gotta be clear and it’s got to be something that you can realistically get.

Israel is a vassal state that depends on the support of the US. Absolving the US of the deeds of the vassal it provides weapons and munitions for is wrong, the deeds require the support of the US to continue.

What the actual fuck dude.

Talk to Muslim-Americans. They aren’t stupid, or lacking in critical thinking. The ones voting Green are doing so because they can’t support genocide, and realize that witholding support is the only way to force any kind of hand.

That’s what they are doing. Promising unconditional support for Harris despite her pushing for continued genocide has no leverage.

No. They are telling their constituent to vote third party as early voting is getting underway. They are literally setting fire to their political capital while there’s still six weeks to figure out something that both sides can be happy with.

Israel is a vassal state that depends on the support of the US.

I mean, if you truly believe that then I guess the whole system is compromised and you gotta burn it all down. But it’s not something that has actual salience outside conspiratorial circles and the people that amplify them for their own ends.

What are you even talking about? They are making concrete demands, one of them being an arms embargo which Kamala has said won’t happen. The way a deal works is if the other side doesn’t accept your offer you don’t just cave and perform your side of the bargain. And judging by the fact that Kamala hasn’t proposed anything other than the same vague support for a ceasefire Biden has shown they haven’t even tried to push for anything else that might satisfy this constituency.

You can leverage that into a deal.

They tried. Nothing happened. Because to the Democrats supporting Israel is more important than winning in November.

… or they don’t really have the power to deliver their “base” vote anyway.

This press release stinks like one of those “I must discover where my people are going so that I can lead them” schticks.

No Muslim country is helping Palestine.

Lebanon, Yemen, Iran. Read up.

You need to read more yourself. Yemen takes none. There are camps in Lebanon but the people remain stateless. And so on … Just some basic googling will help you learn.

Are you lying intentionally here or are you just completely ignorant?

There are, but they’re all Iran-aligned, because the others have been bought out by the US. Read some history.

This is basically a self fulfilling prophecy. People are told that they can only vote for one of the two parties which makes every other candidate irrelevant.

CAIR and USCMO are the biggest Muslim organizations in the U.S. In negotiations Democrats were unwilling to make any concessions for Palestine. Voting for Harris anyway would be counterproductive.

Trump does have a plan to end the suffering of the Palestinians, forever.

Trump doesn’t have any plans. He just does whatever dumb bullshit pops in his head.

Yeah, the same one Harris does, because they both unconditionally support the genocide! It’s not like Trump would invade Palestine (short of a broader regional conflict)

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