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The growth of atmospheric CO2 is still accelerating. There has been zero evidence that this has changed.

Yes, renewables. But for every solar panel installed, our civilization’s lust for energy means that most of that added solar power is consumed without any appreciable commensurate decline in fossil fuel consumption.

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Yes, the atmospheric CO2 is still rising due to emissions from previous decades.

The decline mentioned in the title is the current emmisions. The article goes on to explain it like this:

Locally, Europe and America have lowered their emmisions in the recent years, but global emmisions have still rised due to China emitting even more.

This June however, China’s emmisions have also decreased, so it might be a sign of a peak being reached.

Energy consumption is still increasing, but renewable sources provide enough for that, and it’s economical the best option, so the rising demand does not cause more emmisions.

Personally, I’m afraid it is too soon to tell. I also wonder where all the drilled oil and mined coal goes, because if there is an actual decline in fossil fuel usage, we’d be hearing from the oil companies and experience lower gas prices etc. Any fossil that is mined or pumped up is going to get burned, so I’d really like to see a decline in fossil extractions before celebrating.

Also, in order to address the atmospheric CO2 levels, we need something entirely different. Forests and CO2 capture etc., which have a long way to go still.

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the atmospheric CO2 is still rising due to emissions from previous decades.

Tell me you don’t understand atmospheric CO2 without saying you don’t understand it.

Atmospheric CO2 represents the immediate, real-time, zero-delay composition of the atmosphere. As in, the current value is what currently exists.

And an acceleration curve in that value means that CO2 production is still increasing. if the curve is curving up, more CO2 is being released today than had been released yesterday.

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/f46a3bf9-388a-4cac-92ff-0604e402c291.png

Once that curve points downwards over more than a year or so, then I will become cautiously optimistic. Until then, I will not submit myself to counterproductive hopium.

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There is a slight complexity to this as methane breaks down into CO2 over a period of about 20 years, in the meantime it contributes a higher warming effect. But there is a measure called CO2e which is the equivalent including the other green house gases and it too has been accelerating so it doesn’t change the point its just there are some prior emission impacts on current CO2 in the atmosphere.

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not to forget, the stupid ai craze is generating crap ton of emissions

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But AI does still produce something, cryptomining consume stupid ammounts of energy, and produce nothing usefull.

Oh, sure, we have defined the specific string of numbers that the crypto algorithm generates as important in highly specialized systems, but they are completely and utterly useless in other contexts.

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But AI does still produce something

I don’t think that wild, uncontrollable hallucinations counts as “productive output”.

Output, yes, but not productive output.

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LLMs produce a string of outputs (from numbers) that are sometimes useful in some contexts and utterly useless in other contexts 🙃

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Wondering if you read the linked article which presents evidence that this has changed?

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But then everything wouldn’t be Always Bad All the Time and a bunvh of people here can’t handle that.

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