Comment by Kecessa@sh.itjust.works on Ford Chairman & CEO Jim Farley Wakes After Decade-long Nap, Shocked By China's EVs

They still build the only real EV truck though

I get the criticism of the cyber truck, and the hummer EV is ridiculous, but why do the R1T and Silverado EV not count as trucks? R1T is an expensive but great midsize go anywhere truck. Silverado EV is a range king and a little flat looking, but still 100% “truck”. Lightning is just the all around best value of a truck. I say this as a lightning owner, there are options in this market.

Only one of the three is body on frame and it’s Ford’s

They almost made a truck with the Silverado EV but then they had to turn it into whatever the Avalanche is supposed to be with fins coming off the cab that get in the way of things. Anyways, not to sound bitter but some people like to be able to put camper shells, tool boxes, or other accoutrement on the back.

R1T is decent, just really expensive.

They were suggesting that Rivian was forgotten.

They were suggesting that Rivian also make a real EV truck which they don’t

What makes them not real? They’re shaped like a truck and they operare purely on batteries, what more could there be? I get the feeling that this is truck-snobbery like the ford vs chevy guys from 20-30 years ago

It is truck snobbery. It’s a truck, the definition of a truck is a large motor vehicle used to transport goods, materials, or troops. His response is straight up gate keeping, like the people who will tell you a mustang mach-e isn’t a real mustang since it’s not shitting a bunch of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Body on frame, only on the F150, that’s not snobbery, that’s just reality, work trucks need that.

Trucks are for every tradesperson that does the things you lack the time, training or tools to do when something breaks at your residence. Trucks help you move.

there are way more trucks than tradespeople.

And that doesn’t invalidate my statement.

Squares and rectangles

I always wonder about that:

I knew a guy with a truck to commute alone into Boston for a desk job. Does home improvement projects but most of the time it’s an excessive vehicle
Family up the street - a couple of the grown kids live at home and all have trucks. On the one hand it’s a family of Trades, but on the other hand the trucks are spotless, customized, and I never see tools.

Trucks don’t do that, vans do.

In Europe every tradesperson drives a van because it is a lot more efficient and can haul way more than trucks ever can.

Well then I guess I need a new vehicle because I’m a handyman and I use a truck. Dealing with a van full of stuff and trying to slide drywall in is kind of difficult. However, I can easily snap them on top of the bed of my truck and get moving. And it cost me a whole lot less to maintain this truck than it would to maintain a van. You ever tried carrying a ton of gravel in a van? I wouldn’t. Takes much longer to load and unload that way.

Well then I guess I need a new vehicle because I’m a handyman and I use a truck.

Yes, yes you do.

They carry very different loads, and both are awesome.

And if said tradesperson doesn’t want their equipment to get wet in the rain they get a van instead.

Or they just get some storage bins. I find them to be highly effective. Allows me to load just the tools I need for a job so unloading and loading is very fast.

Think of a van as an enormous truck storage bin.

But it’s got a roof which makes placing 20 foot ladders or a ton of gravel in it very awkward. The fixed volume natural of it isn’t compatible with the kind of work I do. But maybe you, a person that doesn’t do my job, knows more about my situation than I do.

Vans, you’re thinking of vans. Becuase you can lock up all your expensive tools in a van, it keeps rain off your supplies, it gives you a mobile workspace with AC, and you can take out the seats or reconfigure it for the job at hand. All the tradesmen I know drive vans. All the idiots I know who want an expensive mall crawling pavement princess so they look like they could do actual work, buy trucks.

I’m glad you know enough people to make uninformed opinions about my professional needs. Are you going to recommend, like another poster here, that I buy a second dedicated vehicle that costs more than I make in a year for the occasions where I need to transport stuff that you can’t load in a van? AC? You think I could afford to run the AC?

By the way is my 2005 Ranger with 200k+ miles that is worth less than $4k a pavement princess? Am I an idiot for owning one general purpose vehicle that covers all my personal and professional needs?

No, but I wouldn’t call delivering gravel high skill labor that I couldn’t do.

Sure there are legitimate needs for trucks. The vast majority of truck owners buy them to look cool, instead of actually doing truck things with them. Be proud that you may be the exception to the rule.

“No, but wouldn’t call delivering gravel high skill labor that couldn’t do.”

I do work that others can’t because they lack the time, tools or experience to do themselves. Gravel isn’t high skill. Prepping an area for gravel takes a little more skill. But being able to shovel a ton of it in 100°f temperatures is beyond the ability of most people.

You’ve never set foot outside of a city or had any contact with the people who produce your food, have you?

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