The European Union should suspend its trade and institutional ties with Israel to deter war crimes that amount to genocide in the Gaza Strip, the UN’s special rapporteur on Palestine has said.

“Europe is the main trading partner - which accounts I think for 30% of Israel’s trade - so it has a huge power and it should use that power. In the end, this is not an option, it’s an obligation because Article 2 of that association agreement foresees the suspension in case of violations of human rights,” she added.

Albanese said the EU’s reluctance to use the measures in its power to hold Israel to account perpetuates Israel’s impunity and reveals a “disconnect” between Europe’s political class and the large portion of European society that has persistently called for a ceasefire in the besieged Gaza Strip.

She also said EU leaders need to take more concrete counter-measures against Israel, including revoking diplomatic recognition and targeted sanctions on government officials.

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Hamas is still holding innocent Israelis hostage and sexually assaulting them.

If Morocco sent gangs over the Spanish border to rape and murder (even babies) and took hundreds of hostages, no-one would ask Spain to negotiate a ceasefire while the hostages are still suffering.

Hamas must be destroyed. It’s disgusting that the EU and UN have been funding them directly.

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That’s true, but you can’t destroy them with force. The only way to destroy Hamas is by destroying the reason they exist and by ending the suffering for the Palestinians. Violence produces more violence. Make Gaza a state, support it, so that the people living there can have a good live and Hams becomes less of a Problem.

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In principle I agree with you, in practice what you are suggesting is just a nice dream.

I said it is a dream for a number of hard facts:

  • the 1988 Hamas charter include, openly, the obliteration of Israel as one of the objective of Hamas. The 2017 revision seems to be a little mess in this regard and there are some mixed opinion. Please note that the 1988 version was never explicitly revoked.
  • from the beginning of 2005 (February the 21th to be exact) Israel left Gaza, not sure what it means Gaza is occupied (if we refer to Palestine, people should read some history books)
  • in 2006 Hamas wins the elections so, if we accept the result, it seems that most of the civilians, who probably know what Hamas is/want, agree with them. To me this look like a free choice from the population and, like every choice, it has consequences.
  • a two state solution (which incidentally was the solution proposed in 1947) was on the table a number of times and more often than not it was the Palestinians that rejected it. it is true however that also in Israel there were some opposition.

It seems to me that, at least partially, the blame could be splitted…

Make Gaza a state, support it, so that the people living there can have a good live and Hams becomes less of a Problem.

And then ? Are you that naive to think that if Gaza will become a state, Hamas will change ? They already show that they don’t care even about their own civilians, what make you think that it will ever change ? It is from 2005 that they can run their “state” and what are the results ?

BTW, ending the suffering of the innocent palestinian civilians is easy: just ask Egypt to open their border and let the refugees in (like Poland did with the Ukranian for example) and help them (EU could also help Egypt to take care of them eventually). This way who remain in Gaza is fair game and the innocent civilians are safe. Oh yes, Egypt do not want Palestinians, like every other muslim country, so maybe they know what the facts are.

Or maybe people will discover the inconvenient truth that it is in the open: that Hamas want their civilians to be killed by IDF so they can cry that IDF is bad and need to be stopped. (they already said it) After all it is the perfect strategy for Hamas: let us to kill all the innocent civilians we want and then hide behind ours when the enemy, inevitably, hit back. Do you think it is a good idea to allow this ?

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You’re an awful fucking human being. Yes all those children left behind are “fair game” if Egypt opens the border. But they won’t open the border, so they shouldn’t be fair game right? Because there’s still people there. You want to act like because Egypt doesn’t want them that makes them all fucking worthy to die

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Oh no more “beheaded raped babies in ovens from pregnant bellies”.

It’s a sad state of affairs that people are still repeating this complete propaganda.

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