They tried to Taser the guy twice.
Just out of interest, what would you have done differently?
Use physical force?
Why is it all well and good for them to risk innocent peoples lives by firing a loaded weapon in a confined space?
Firefighters risk their lives everyday, cops cant even risk a fight.
Seriously? That’s your solution, a wrestling match with a knife weilding perp?
They have tasers, which didn’t work. Then move to pepper spray to blind the person and batons to subdue them.
Other countries where guns are uncommon but knife attacks are more common they have long hooked poles to capture someone. That’s impractical to carry so wouldn’t have been available in this situation but it is a tool that can be used when called out to a knife threat.
The problem here is the response doesn’t match the crime (fare avoidance) and doesn’t match the threat either. If the only solution you have for littering is to blow up a city then its time to step back and rethink the problem.
Three innocent people injured, months of investigation, and millions in lawsuit settlements. This is a failure of the officers but also a failure in training them how to respond.
If it wasn’t for insane ideas they’d have to say the cops were maybe not wildly in the wrong here so insanity it is!
Honestly? The guy had a knife, which might have injured one of the cops, maybe. US police are far too afraid for their own safety, and automatically reach for their gun when they think there might be the slightest minor chance that they could be in a little bit of danger.
If being in dangerous situations makes you open fire in a crowd of random innocent people, then you should not be a cop. Cops need to learn to accept the risks they signed up for, de-escalate, and protect the public before they obsess over protecting themselves. I know protecting the public is not technically their job, but opening fire in a crowded subway is laughably irresponsible, and should be an immediate fireable offense.
I know protecting the public is not technically their job
It literally is the main job.
I always have this link ready to go, because you would be totally reasonable in assuming it’s their main job, but our lovely Supreme Court says otherwise.
Edit: here’s a non-paywalled link
The guy had a knife, which might have injured one of the cops, maybe. … they think there might be the slightest minor chance that they could be in a little bit of danger.
I don’t disagree with your overall sentiment that police need better de-escalation training and non-lethal defense weapons - but you need to seriously re-examine your perception of how dangerous a knife attack is. Please don’t trivialize it just to make a point, because it undermines your own credibility and weakens your otherwise reasonable argument.
The guy had a knife, which might have injured one of the cops, maybe.
Holy damn, this has got to be the worst take I’ve read all day/week.
I know in video games, a knife generally doesn’t do much damage but… Just… Wow.
Go outside.
Even in video games, a knife is typically pretty deadly. It’s an instant kill if you stab someone in the back in a few games.
The guy had a knife, which might have injured one of the cops, maybe.
Where do people like you even come from?
Also, they tasered the guy twice before finally shooting him, so they didn’t “automatically reach for their guns”.
I come from an over-policed city, where I am genuinely afraid of every cop I see, because of stories just like this.
So you don’t think cops should be required to gauge the risk to the public before they gauge the risk to themselves? They chose a dangerous career, and seem unwilling to accept the risks that come along with it. A knife is less dangerous than a loaded gun, I don’t think that’s a controversial thing to say.
