Comment by BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world on After charger, Apple removes USB-C cable from the box

After being forced to standardise to usb c and be responsible for some of the e-waste it produces, apple has finally relented.

They fought tooth and nail against the EU regulations to force charging standards. I don’t care if they up sell cables to some people; most people will reuse what they have and thats the whole point of the regulations.

Regulation works.

They transitioned most of their devices to usb save the iPhone before the EU legislation went into effect.

Apple caught shit for going USB-C only on their laptops years ago.

Exactly, and it’s still kind of annoying years later on my work laptop (2019 Macbook Pro). I got a USB hub and now I get all those other ports, but that wouldn’t have been necessary if they just gave me an HDMI and USB-A port. The newer M-series Macbook Pros went back to having HDMI, which is really nice.

I wish everything I had was the same port, but I’m not going to go out and repurchase everything to standardize on one plug.

HDMI is a dogshit standard and everyone should’ve moved over to DisplayPort or Thunderbolt over the USB-C form factor.

Nah, it’s totally fine, and it’s ubiquitous. Ideally, I get both, so if I’m connecting to a TV or something, I can use HDMI, and if I’m connecting to a monitor, I can use DP.

Are people connecting their laptops to TVs frequently enough that this should be built into every single unit shipped? I can’t imagine the percentage of users who actually use their HDMI ports is very high.

Yes? Someone in my group connects to our work TV pretty much every day for our morning meeting, and I connect to a monitor at home and at work multiple times every day. Yeah, I guess you could ensure that every TV supports streaming and have a USB-C hub at every desk, but that sounds odd compared to just adding an HDMI port or something.

Definitely.

People who never connect their laptop to a second screen are in the minority.

I never encountered one that has never done so, including Mac users.

Displayport have bad connectors compared to HDMI. They break so regularly, I switched back to HDMI after every single one of those cables died.

They switched back to the much more durable MagSafe (3?) connector. I have 3 MagSafe MacBooks and one usc-c model. The only one I have issues not charging is the USB-C one, and it’s the newest by 2 years.

Not if ~~when~~ they add a chip in the official Apple cable that the iPhone/iPad/iwhatever checks for, and refuses to properly charge or transfer data without it. At this point, a generic USBC will only work for a short time, before the device rejects it, forcing you to bin it and buy a new one, which negates the benefits of the regulation. Regulations do work, but they have to be thorough, and this one isn’t covering all the corners.

Edit: changes when to if. It was causing confusion as to what I meant.

I too like to get mad at made up scenarios

If only.

Now, I don’t know if it’s in USBC cables, but it was in their lightning cables.

https://www.cultofmac.com/news/the-security-chip-inside-apples-lightning-cable-isnt-even-as-sophisticated-as-those-found-inside-printer-cartridges

Edit: apple isn’t hiding this program, either. Nor should they. It has merit. But it can be abused, as it was with certified lighting cables.

Edit: also, I think it’s funny that you assumed I was angry/mad about this hahahahaha I’m really not. I no longer buy apple, so it really doesn’t affect me. And if I did buy apple, I don’t think I would care that much, as when I did buy apple, I bought certified add-ons. I was simply pointing out the gap in the passed regulation. It seems that you’re more upset about this than I am. Sorry my comment affected you this way–it was not my intention.

Now, I don’t know if it’s in USBC cables

It’s not. Apple specifically follows the USB-PD standard, and went a long way in getting all the other competing standards (Qualcomm’s Quick Charge, Samsung Adaptive Fast Charge) to become compatible with USB-PD. Now, pretty much every USB-C to USB-C cable supports USB-PD.

Also a shout out to Google Engineer Benson Leung who went on a spree of testing cables and wall adapters for compliance with standards after a charger set his tablet on fire. The work he did between 2016-2018 went a long way in getting bad cables taken off the market.

No, they made it up. There’s nothing special about the USB C port on any Apple products.

Not sure about USBC, but it was in their lightning cables.

It’s not farfetched that they would also add it to their “certified USBC”.

https://www.cultofmac.com/news/the-security-chip-inside-apples-lightning-cable-isnt-even-as-sophisticated-as-those-found-inside-printer-cartridges

Edit: apple isn’t hiding this program, either. Nor should they. It has merit. But it can be abused, as it was with certified lighting cables.

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