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2 months ago

Arguing on semantics is a liberals game. Anyway the last user claimed China was definitely not cracking down on Xinjiang so I linked him this damning compilation.

Haven’t heard from him since.

Unless you’re going to claim cultural Genocide is fine when China does it because they call their imperialism differently I don’t really care for the argument.

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carl_marks[use name]@lemmy.ml

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1 point

2 months ago

Semantics are important with words like “imperialism”, “capitalism” and other isms.

Xinjiang so I linked him this damning compilation.

Xinjiang has 1 mosque per ~500 Muslims and one of the highest densities with 25k mosques total

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China

Your (western) article makes an “analysis of 2,312 mosques once featuring Islamic architecture shows that three-quarters have been modified or destroyed since 2018.”

Which 1) is not that many compares to the total amount. 2) Has an interest in focussing on “modified” (i.e. renovated) and destroyed ones to make the 3/4 figure 3) apparently has access to that data, but refuses to list the total amount of destroyed ones.

Also cultural genocide is when Uyghur is an official languages and also used publicly everywhere. Cultural genocide is when you can freely practice your religion everywhere. Cultural genocide is when all Muslim majority visited the region and had no complaints. Apparently genocide on Muslims is not happening in Palestine (said by the same voices that do say it’s happening in China)

You might want to consider the context a bit (also with western sources): https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

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~2022; Xi Stresses Sinicization and Regulation of Religious Activities

-3 points

2 months ago

Cultural Genocide is not equal to full on literal israel style delete everyone you don’t like. It is more similar to the French colonialism in Algeria (see imperialism) and their attempt to assimilate their subjects afterwards. Gradually ereasing a culture to ‘enlighten’ the population with le epic atheism.

Altering appearances of mosques to make them appear Chinese is an incredibly visually obvious step to slow-boiling the frog.

Religious affairs in China should be regulated in accordance with the country’s socialist society, Xi said at the latest National Religious Affairs Meeting held in Beijing. Xi urged more nationalism, collectivism, socialism, and an improved understanding of history in the religious sector. He also emphasized the importance of the overall national security.

The religious sector should strengthen its self-education and management and should only conduct activities that respect laws and regulations, Xi said. China will also aim to ensure that party and government leadership have a sufficient understanding of Marxist religious views.

And if you don’t know what “Marxist religious views” means I recommend the document you linked earlier it was quite evidently not too fond of religion.

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carl_marks[use name]@lemmy.ml

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2 points

2 months ago

Cultural Genocide is not equal to full on literal israel style delete everyone you don’t like.

Not what I was saying. I was saying that the same voices that say a “cultural genocide” is happening in China, are saying no genocide (not cultural, but the actual extermination of people) is happening in Palestine.

Altering appearances of mosques to make them appear Chinese is an incredibly visually obvious step to slow-boiling the frog.

Or you know, altering the building in a way it doesn’t crash on its worshipers i.e. renovating.

Sinicization involves aligning religion to Chinese culture, and can also extend to adherence to the nation’s political ideology and rules.

Like any fucking religion has to adhere to their host country. Basically it means if your interpretation of Islam is some radical shit where go stab random ass people you can get lost like they did with the western backed ETIM (Based)

Also you seem to have a very narrow understanding of culture. You haven’t addressed even how the language and cultural practices aren’t banned. Slow boiling the frog my ass

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Wearing a long beard? Terrorism!

-1 points

2 months ago

Classifying parts of religion you don’t like because you have to “combat terrorism” and assimilate your colonized population… where have I heard that one before…

Or you know, altering the building in a way it doesn’t crash on its worshipers i.e. renovating.

And making it look like a classic Chinese temple instead of an Uyghur one? Cultural preservation in full force.

You haven’t addressed even how the language and cultural practices aren’t banned.

I’ve also seen a few independent Youtubers who visited Xinjiang and were specifically told they were not allowed to fly their drones in that area contrary to the rest of China and the area was very heavily guarded. Example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHxzLogzqkU&t=2167s

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carl_marks[use name]@lemmy.ml

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2 points

2 months ago

Classifying parts of religion you don’t like because you have to “combat terrorism” and assimilate your colonized population… where have I heard that one before…

Condoning radical parts of religion because forbidding them reminds of the cultural genocide that’s happening at home

And making it look like a classic Chinese temple instead of an Uyghur one? Cultural preservation in full force.

Imagine the headlines if left alone and the collapsing building kills a worshiper

Wearing a long beard? Terrorism!

The less radical Imam not falling into the western narrative in the video you linked to says that no religious repression is happening and denies that beards are banned. BBC provides no evidence and just points at a random ripped paper and says beards are banned because it says so there lol Instead you link me a video showing me how it even contradicts yourself. How do you like the timestamp, where the youtuber “sees 4-5 mosques just walking around the city center” and concludes “you can’t say that there aren’t any mosques here”. Which he concludes the same thing again further down the video you posted. https://youtu.be/dHxzLogzqkU?feature=shared&t=2085

How do you not see the contradiction, that you say cultural genocide, yet you can see arabic written all over the buildings in your own provided link? Poor guy couldnt fly his drone over the mosque. Have you tried flying a drone over a synagogue in any western country?

At least read the context I provided you earlier https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

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I believe this is the full document

0 points

2 months ago

The less radical Imam not falling into the western narrative in the video you linked to says that no religious repression is happening and denies that beards are banned.

everyone just randomly “quit because there’s jobs now” that makes total sense. And everyone cut their beards too just for fun. Let’s read your link and find out

https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

This is from your link:

Beards:

Your link wants to reference article 14 which focuses on re-education but the preceding one doesn’t look great.

So to summarize, according to your link the ‘comeback’ to Chinese law classifying people with beards as extremists… Is not that it’s not happening but that ‘they will be taught the correct beliefs’.

where the youtuber “sees 4-5 mosques just walking around the city center” and concludes “you can’t say that there aren’t any mosques here

Yes there are. The heavy military guarding around the area is what’s very noteworthy. If there’s a lot of dudes with guns arresting people who practice their religion that will intimidate people into not practicing it. Combine this with the knowledge of the “vocational camps” and it’s pretty obvious there’s something fishy going on.This is what I mean with gradual crackdown on religion.

The excuse that there’s still mosques flies about as well as saying Algeria still has mosques so France didn’t do cultural Genocide there. The CCP has been pretty open about wanting to crack down on religion as the Xi statement about Maxrism (also 2017 what a coincidence) suggested.

The BadEmpanada analysis video on Xinjiang was the best I have seen so far. Especially this testimony in which the “coerced acting” of China is pretty well highlighted

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