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TIL School shootings in America date all the way back to the 1700s(www.k12academics.com)

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fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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Valid reason 1. In order to increase the cost of wide spread authoritarian action against the people of the Unites States.

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flying_gel@lemmy.world
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Nope, not a valid reason.

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Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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But the 2nd amendment doesn’t increase the cost of authoritarian action. DeSantis just sent rounds of police to people’s homes for signing petitions to put abortion on the ballot in Florida.

The 2nd amendment didn’t do jack shit to stop him from threatening people for their free speech. Because if a squad of a dozen cops lands on your front door, whether you like it or not you’re either going to be shot, detained, your guns taken away, etc. Having a gun doesn’t change that. You’re fucked, gun or not, if the state sends armed personnel to your home.

And arguably you’re more fucked if you have a gun because of how trigger happy cops are. The moment they think you’re armed they’ll shoot you.

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Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
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Right? You don’t need rights to take up arms against the government, and rights aren’t going to fucking help you if you try.

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Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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The hard part is getting people to join you to take a stand. To make real change it has to be a significant portion of the population demanding change.

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fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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I have 100% seen for myself cops shape their response out to places around where I live because the risk is not worth it to them. They focus on serious crimes and will flat refuse to go to do bs calls that are just minor neighbors disputes.

If DeSantis wants to put the state in marshal law he would have to convince the armed citizens of the state that that is ok, or expect violent resistance which again cops are people, and people don’t like being shot, so expect hesitation on following some orders.

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Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
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If DeSantis wants to put the state in marshal law he would have to convince the armed citizens of the state that that is ok,

No he doesn’t. All he has to do is send cops to people’s homes, one by one, like he just did. Nobody is going to meaningfully stand up to the police if they take people one at a time, one house at a time.

so expect hesitation on following some orders.

There’s no reason for there to be any more hesitation. Cops already believe themselves to be doing the most dangerous job, and they outgun you when they show up to your house. For them it’s just another day.

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Gamoc@lemmy.world
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Americans like to say that but when fascists and authoritarians turn up the most gun obsessed Americans always love them.

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fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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Fascist just over value them. Too many socialist under value them.

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