Incase anyone tells you that lemmy.ml is not a tankie instance.
“’Russia should not invade Ukraine’. The reason I don’t say it more is because it’s a non-statement: everybody agrees with it, even Russians. The only people who think slogans solve the problem are people who don’t understand the conflict.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/18/the-trouble-with-edward-snowden
Also, you’re actually suggesting he was aligned with Russia from the beginning and that’s why he went there?
No, I’m suggesting he doesn’t have principles.
Okay second link is some author taunting Snowden about his tricky position in Russia which is essentially meaningless. Third link is a trash website pushing their app with basically only this content:
Former U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden on Tuesday doubted the veracity of reports of Russia’s alleged “invasion” of Ukraine and suggested that statements without evidence could provoke an escalation of the crisis.
“So… if nobody shows up for the invasion Biden scheduled for tomorrow morning at 3 a.m., I’m not saying your journalistic credibility was instrumentalized as part of one of those disinformation campaigns you like to write about, but you should at least consider the possibility,” the whistleblower said
I actually find it baffling that essentially we have “at one point doubted an invasion would happen” and “exists in Russia” to hate a guy, especially who did what he did.
I believe now that I think about it, I do remember him backpedaling about the quote above and saying he was wrong.
Okay second link is some author taunting Snowden about his tricky position in Russia which is essentially meaningless.
Wow, it’s amazing that in the US he was a hero, but now that he’s in Russia it’s a ‘tricky situation’.
I actually find it baffling that essentially we have “at one point doubted an invasion would happen” and “exists in Russia” to hate a guy, especially who did what he did.
The US at the time came with receipts. It was blatantly obvious at the time. Snowden continued simping for the fascists. And he always will.
I believe now that I think about it, I do remember him backpedaling about the quote above and saying he was wrong.
Oh, okay, so it’s okay to call it a CIA psyop if, after it’s apparent that it’s not even to the staunchest defenders of the conspiracy, you admit that it’s not. Of course. Like denying that Nazi Germany is going to invade Czechoslovakia, and then admitting, once the Nazis invade Czechoslovakia, that they invaded Czechoslovakia. Quite clearly this means you are, deep down, a good fellow who definitely isn’t obfuscating in service of a fascist state. Or a useful idiot, if you feel generous about his motives.
Why are you so combative about this? I read three articles and in not one did he say anything overt (he can’t if he wants to live, and he can’t leave to somewhere where he can speak openly) or use language at all equivalent to a “CIA psyop”. Let’s just leave this conversation here. You obviously loathe a person I respect a great deal and this isn’t going anywhere good.
…you just reposted the quote I gave you implying he doesn’t support that war and wishes he could actually say it more bluntly. And the first link I mostly read and found nothing like what you wrote about it being a “psyop”.
Fleeing life in prison or execution in a hurry doesn’t determine one’s principles. I find that a weird claim.
I will look at the other links but so far this has been…disappointing.
Snowden essentially sacrificed his freedom to show that the US government is spying on its citizens. If anything were to imply principles, that would be it.
…you just reposted the quote I gave you implying he doesn’t support that war and wishes he could actually say it more bluntly.
No, I highlighted the part of your quote in which he implied that the war was not imminent and that anyone who ‘understands the conflict’ at a time when America was warning of the oncoming invasion, would understand that Russia had no desire to invade Ukraine as a means of resolution of the ongoing political dispute.
From one of my other links
“So… if nobody shows up for the invasion Biden scheduled for tomorrow morning at 3 a.m., I’m not saying your journalistic credibility was instrumentalized as part of one of those disinformation campaigns you like to write about, but you should at least consider the possibility,” the whistleblower said.
Fleeing life in prison or execution in a hurry doesn’t determine one’s principles. I find that a weird claim.
So if I expose, say, Britain’s wrongdoings in World War 2, and flee to Nazi Germany, do I have:
A. Principles
B. No Principles
Cowardice is not a principle.
Of course, that assumes a choice between two countries, as stated before, large swathes of the world don’t have extradition treaties with the US, yet he just happened to choose (with the help of Assange) the fascist state.
Very curious.
Snowden essentially sacrificed his freedom to show that the US government is spying on its citizens. If anything were to imply principles, that would be it.
“He did something I like, so he has principles”
He pissed off to a cushy position in Russia where he gets constant asspats from the terminally online while lending credibility to a fascist regime. Principles are not high on his list of priorities, quite apparently.
You’re really going to compare this Nazi Germany…? Yikes.
I have read and agreed with many things you’ve written but you’re just wrong about this one. Doesn’t seem you’re open to challenging your view though, so that’s fine.
