For context, Dick Cheney announced that he’ll be voting for Kamala Harris.

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I think it’s indicative of just how far right the “left” have gone. We have no real representation.

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I think it more that the other option is just that insane. It’s not as much a left vs right thing. It’s a business as usual vs. Chaos election. Cheney being in favor of someone playing by the normal rules isn’t that surprising.

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Cheney is an absolute ghoul, but I don’t doubt that the neocon stupidity he embraced during the Bush administration was at least partly out of a desire for America to remain ‘top dog’.

Trump is sitting here ready to quite literally sell our position to Russia and China.

It’s a WW2 moment. The Soviets and the Western Allies join hands, because even though each thinks the other is fucking terrible, there’s a more vile foe afoot.

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Obligatory reminder that Dick Cheney literally does not have a heart or a pulse, as his heart was replaced by a continuous flow pump.

So… ghoul indeed.

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Yeah, there’s the effect Cheney and his gang all having American supremacy as their goal, with them and their corporate fuck-buddies specifically on top of the heap. In their own particularly fucked kind of way, they did care about America or something.

Trump and his ilk… They believe in fucking NOTHING. I’m not even convinced their goal, at its core, is even self-enrichment. I’m pretty well convinced the whole movement is just extremely self-destructive mental illness metastasisized into a political party.

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He ushered in PNAC which has morphed into Project 2025 afaict.

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Trump is sitting here ready to quite literally sell our position to Russia and China

God, I wish I lived in the reality liberals have concocted for themselves.

You’re making Trump sound way cooler than he is. He’s a less savvy but more enthusiastic imperialist. Ending American (read white, anglo) supremacy does not inspire dread to anyone but weird xenophobes, financial exploiters of the global south, and weapons manufacturers.

I’m supposed to think one of the worst war criminals in human history endorsing your candidate is a good thing because their new guy is…checks notes…NOT PATRIOTIC ENOUGH? Is being the more competent pillager supposed to be an appeal?..while rent, food, and healthcare are unaffordable?

All this rhetoric does is inspires anyone who cares about anything above profit and bloodlust to not vote for your candidate. Meanwhile the people who like this xenophobic shit will vote for the more enthusiastic Republicans.

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Unfortunately, “Business as usual” in our political climate, is a pretty conservative sentiment.

I get that you’re saying Cheney is just making a rational decision but it doesn’t contradict the Op’s point.

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Harris will likely try to pass more left leaning goals, but she isn’t going to fundamentally change the rules or change priorities based on the last conversation she had with someone. It’s easier to be an opposition party than trying to control Trump.

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Not related to that at all.

Cheney hates Trump because of his ties to Russia. For threatening to have the US leave NATO. January 6th. And above all the cardinal GOP sin of attacking fellow party members. Liz has repeatedly been the focus of Trump’s outbursts because she’s stood up to him. And to a ghoul like Cheney, attacking the in-group is a big no no. Especially his own daughter.

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Being protective of your own daughter is hardly due to being a ghoul.

I mean, Dick Cheney is a ghoul, but not for this reason.

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Plenty more Republicans are supporting Kamala Harris and they have good reasons that don’t involve Russia. Furthermore, most true Republicans see the destruction of the conservative party by MAGA and want to defeat it to save the party.

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most true Republicans see the destruction of the conservative party by MAGA and want to defeat it to save the party.

Where were nearly all of them for the past 8 years? Oh yeah, supporting Trump and maga.

I’m glad they are going to help defeat him in 2024, but they can eat a bag of dicks after that. I’ll neither forgive nor forget the monster they invited into the nation (and I mean the entire maga crowd and mindset, not just Trump). It would be within the realm of scifi for me to vote for a Republican as so much a a local fileclerk at any point between now and when old age takes me.

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How dare you?! Your criticism of the conservative lite party and unwillingness to compromise with the full blown fascists makes you the real fascist! (heavy /s)

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I don’t think it’s so lite anymore.

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Too right. I’d actually used “fascist lite” before changing it, but I figured give the libs a little break from the full on reality check lol

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What a weird take. This is indicative of how awful Trump is.

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I mean, it’s both. Republicans are driven away from Trump because he’s obviously a grifter to anyone with a room temperature IQ, but also leftists don’t have any other option but the center-right Democrats. If we had a healthy spread of parties (enabled by ranked choice voting and the abolition of the electoral college) there is no way you’d see the Cheneys voting in the same bloc with anyone even remotely left.

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Bernie and AOC being given a speaker slot at the convention is a radical shift from where leftists were 8 years ago. The idea that the Democrats are moving right while we have declared socialists presenting front and center is a significant misunderstanding of the last 30+ years of political discourse in this country.

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For sure, but also it might be an indication of how much we’re leaving on the table.

Would Cheney endorse a M4A candidate?

Would Cheney endorse an arms embargo on Israel candidate?

What’s the line? How much more could we be going for here?

Realistically Cheney is bringing us effectively 0 voters, maybe even negative a few. So if it’s these steps to the right Harris keeps making that give us Cheney with no ec votes, show me the value.

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AOC could be the democratic nominee and the Cheney family would likely still vote for the democrats. He’s not voting for Harris because he likes her policies. He voting for her because of this reason that he gave…

“In our nation’s 248-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” Cheney said in a statement. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He can never be trusted with power again.”

“As citizens, we each have a duty to put country above partisanship to defend our Constitution. That is why I will be casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris”

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When the person you despise makes a great point.

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5 points

Since when is there a “left” candidate in the US elections?

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There’s a Green Party candidate every election.

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Do they have the sligthest chance of winning?

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It’s more of a sign that one guy is such a batshit insane criminal that people would rather vote for pretty much anyone else.

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It’s because if you ever got a real leftist candidate into office you’d immediately turn on them when they refused to fill the reflecting pool with billionaire blood.

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Me personally? No. Most of the populace? Hard to say.

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Maybe that’s what the corporate media says but AoC is popular in her district. What really happens is money from AIPAC comes in and unseats the leftist candidate during the primaries.

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Maybe that’s what the corporate media says but AoC is popular in her district.

Don’t worry - as many on here will tell you, AoC is a corporate puppet and a sellout.

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If there was a real leftist candidate you’d ally with the GOP to remove them. You might even kill them or throw them in prison.

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6 points

More like the right has gone so far right that dickhead is a left leaning moderate lmao

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Both us parties are right wing. So yes, the right (dems and GOP) have gone farther right.

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