I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point
Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down
It’s not just you. Like many people that get sucked into cults, you don’t want to directly engage with them. Just nicely encourage them to deprogram themselves, and focus on maturing and becoming an adult. They really don’t like get called out like that, based on my interactions with them.
They really don’t like get called out like that, based on my interactions with them.
yes why would people get upset that you’re being condescending and calling them either brainwashed or a child? one of the biggest remaining mysteries in the world really
So here’s the thing. Hexbear has some smart people on it. @PugJesus@lemmy.world wrote a good comment over here that talks about how it’s good that they can see injustices in the world and get pissed off: https://lemmy.world/comment/12220633
But cults suck in smart people, and they’re very skilled at this. They feed off of righteous anger at the state of the world, and promise neat, easy solutions. And the issue is that you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into, especially people that suffer from black and white thinking. You can’t talk about how the world doesn’t neatly fit into tidy categories, because that’s not as comforting as what the cult offers. The only thing you can really do is reinforce that they’ve fallen into a broken system of thinking, and encourage them to want to reason themselves out of their current position. Once that desire is there, they’ll accomplish it all on their own.
They feed off of righteous anger at the state of the world, and promise neat, easy solutions
communists don’t think there are “neat, easy solutions” this is fundamentally a misunderstanding of our positions. this is the entire point behind why people constantly accuse tankies of being bootlickers and what not: we think transforming the world will be hard, and will involve making harder decisions than me you or anyone else on this website has ever or probably will ever have to make, and that mistakes that socialist states make in these circumstances are entirely understandable even though they are tragic. Of course, socialist states are evil or something which is totally not black and white thinking by your side, of course. America’s enemies are totally doing worse things than america does which has very nuanced and reasonable reasons for overthrowing democratically elected socialist leaders or invading countries and killing millions of people to stop communism or even just general anti-colonial governments and replacing them with fascists and socialists and other anti-imperialists are evil barbarians with no nuanced reasons to try to use whatever methods they can to stop them. why am i arguing with such an obviously bad faith person what is wrong with me
That’s right folks, remember not to engage with any opposing ideology in an honest or intellectually rigorous manner! If someone is critical of your beliefs, it is important to simply ignore them and never seriously consider either of your positions.
It has nothing to do with “opposing ideologies”, it is how you are behaving like toxic assholes 100% of the time.
So when people constantly call us deluded, cult followers, bots, shills, brainwashed, fascists, bigots, trump supporters, and any other number of dehumanizing insults, often coming into our spaces to do so, all the while themselves defending some of the most violent and evil people in history in the name of “lesser evil”, are we supposed to just turn the other cheek and never respond in kind? When we witness the regular defense of the people ensuring the destruction of Palestine continues, are we supposed to just patiently and calmly explain how genocide is bad, actually? When dot worlders accuse me of faking being trans and being a privileged child, am I not justified in losing my temper? Y’all do not even try to understand where we are coming from, constantly use strawman arguments and put words in our mouths, but we’re supposed to smile politely while you spit in our faces? Like this is literally a thread spawning from an OP that is just an ableist insult, and yet some of us are still in here trying to talk things out despite that!
And it’s not like it’s limited to Lemmy, right? Literally everywhere I go I have to either tolerate anti-communist red scare bullshit, transphobia, ableism, misogyny, etc., or I have to try and have stressful and exhausting conversations with people who never, ever take me seriously. So yeah, we’re kind of on edge! If you get shit on for that when it wasn’t deserved, then I’m genuinely sorry, and I wish it wasn’t something that happens. But can you at the least understand that it is not a one-way street here?
