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18 points

17 days ago

if it makes you feel any better you were wrong and it was always fucked up. the difference between now and when you were young is that you’re more aware now.

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PugJesus@lemmy.world

5 points

17 days ago

Oh yeah, I’m not saying I think society has changed for the worse. It’s definitely just that my eyes are open now.

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KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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3 points

17 days ago

i dont think it was always fucked up, there was always some amount of fucked up, but there’s vastly more amounts of fucked up now.

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3 points

17 days ago

compared to what time? Tulsa massacre? jim crow? pre suffrage? slavery?

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KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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1 point

17 days ago

those are specific selections of fucked up ness in society. At some point that was considered to societal norm, people pushed outside of it, as the government and society intends to happen, shit gets goofy, eat sleep repeat and gay people are normal now.

we’re also talking about a specific problem in politics, manifested in a very specific way today, that wouldn’t have been possible merely 20 years ago, so i think it’s fair to treat this like a sort of historically true fact.

unless you’re trying to argue that humanity has been a constant state of bad throughout it’s entire history, which i doubt, and also changes from person to person. It’s not really relevant to go that far back i think.

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1 point

16 days ago

they’re not selections in the cherry picking sense; the country’s history is a constant stream of oppression and political violence.

only one of them is a specific event, but i pointed it out it was particularly fucked up. but the rest aren’t specific at all; they’re entire periods of time where the “fucked up” was the norm, and the law.

i don’t exactly understand what you think we’re talking about. you say it’s a “specific problem” but didn’t specify it really. so i don’t know what’s supposedly impossible merely 20 years ago.

but merely 20 years ago gays couldn’t marry. 20 some years before that the AIDS epidemic was ignored because the government thought it was a gay problem and didn’t care.

there was always oppression and there still is. the orange cunt didn’t invent anything. he just started saying the quiet part out loud.

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KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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1 point

16 days ago

the country’s history is a constant stream of oppression and political violence.

this would be applicable to the entire history of the human race as well.

i don’t exactly understand what you think we’re talking about. you say it’s a “specific problem” but didn’t specify it really. so i don’t know what’s supposedly impossible merely 20 years ago.

i’m talking about the fascist conservatism problem, and the specific ways in which it’s being empowered. Something like this has literally never happened before, hitler being the closest thing, arguably. But that was before the modern era and now we have so many more avenues for social control and influence than with hitler.

there was always oppression and there still is.

i don’t disagree, i just think in this specific aspect (politics) it’s gotten substantially worse since the early oughts.

The specific mechanism of the problem is brand new and very hard to deal with, which compounds with the problem.

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1 point

16 days ago

this would be applicable to the entire history of the human race as well.

irrelevant, as we’re talking about US history, not world history. you’re the one saying we’re in worse times than before and I’m asking when that was.

i disagree that fascism wasn’t a serious problem before, i just think they’re more comfortable with visibility today thanks to the orangutan leatherface. if you mean this to be the specific mechanism, okay, but i don’t know if it’s really worse than the insidious cryptofascism doing the same shit but with masks and dog whistles instead.

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0 points

17 days ago

As far as stability, and the shaking of this country from a NATO sided democracy to a BRICS sided dictatorship? Yeah, I’d say it’s right up there if it does happen.

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