The Brazilian president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, has said he hopes the crisis surrounding the social network X in Brazil might teach the world that “it isn’t obliged to put up with [Elon] Musk’s far-right free-for-all just because he is rich”.

Lula’s comments to the network CNN Brasil came after the supreme court voted unanimously on Monday to uphold the ban on X, which is now largely inaccessible in one of its biggest global markets.

The suspension was first ordered on Friday as a result of the company’s refusal to obey court orders requiring the removal of profiles accused of spreading disinformation and for the social network to name a local legal representative.

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If yelling “fire” in a movie theatre is so dangerous why not allow people to do it and don’t ban it and instead just arrest them after the stampede?

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That’s a bad comparison. Yelling “fire” in a crowd to induce a panic is illegal and can lead to arrest. But that happens after you actually yell “fire” not before you might yell “fire”. In your example you say ban yelling “fire” when inducing a panic is already banned. Do you want people banned because of pre-crime?

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people are banned from doing things because they did things. e.g. if you DUI you get banned from future driving not just punished for the past. Hackers get banned from the internet etc

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So I agree with you about the whole “arresting people after they yell fire and not before” thing, but we’re talking about people who attempted a coup here, these aren’t hypothetical pre-crimes.

To your earlier point about going after the people who actually did the coup:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-64299892

According to this BBC article, 39 people were indicted within about a week of the attack

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Brazilian_Congress_attack

According to Wikipedia, 86 people have been convicted and sentenced to jail time.

I’m sure there are better numbers but I don’t speak Portuguese so I’m not going to find them.

Also, while this conflict did begin with Brazil wanting them to ban accounts who helped organize the coup attempt, x was banned because they refuse to appoint a Brazilian legal representative.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crkmpe53l6jo

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but we’re talking about people who attempted a coup here, these aren’t hypothetical pre-crimes

We’re talking about the entire country of Brazil — 200 million people — being cut off from using X.

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