So why the fuck are you advocating for the government to take away more of your rights? Why can’t I throw myself off a fucking cliff if I want to? It’s my fucking God-given right. Stop being such a simp for the boot.
God-given? That’s your go to?
Fuck the authorities because god says I can do what I like?
Also where is it you think the smokers section comes from?
I’m not saying what they are doing isn’t bullshit, it very much is, but “who are they to tell me to do this new thing, I can continue to do this other thing they told me I can do, because I don’t have to listen to them” is some Olympian level mental gymnastics
God given rights comes from the American Constitution. It was purposely put there because it is undeniable for all people that it applies equally (Well, except for the whole slavery thing, but the Americans aren’t that bright).
We decided that it was better for the society to take away some liberties to increase the total amount of liberties for all people.
If we are to take away someone’s liberty without increasing the total liberty for all people, then we have reduced the total amount of liberty in the world, which I would argue is backwards of the ultimate goal.
God given rights comes from the American Constitution
It does not, purposely so.
It was purposely put there because it is undeniable for all people that it applies equally (Well, except for the whole slavery thing, but the Americans aren’t that bright).
Perhaps you mean unalienable rights (which was in the declaration of independence iirc), but yes afaik it was supposed to apply to all people equally.
We decided that it was better for the society to take away some liberties to increase the total amount of liberties for all people.
Who’s we and when was this decided ?
If we are to take away someone’s liberty without increasing the total liberty for all people, then we have reduced the total amount of liberty in the world, which I would argue is backwards of the ultimate goal.
That is logically incorrect (reduce one persons liberty points by 10, add 5 liberty points each to 2 people and liberty equilibrium is maintained) but i think i know what you are getting at.
Assuming everyone’s idea of the ultimate goal is “liberty for all” is also a stretch.
That’s an entirely different conversation though.
The smokers zones were a result of the original crackdown on smoking in public places, the government decided and it sounds like you followed along.
That this new change goes further than you are personally comfortable with doesn’t make the previous change any less a governmental decree.
Let’s assume however that you do have some universal right to smoke in the smokers section:
Is this the only universal right that exists ?
Do other people not have a right to not be forcibly exposed to known carcinogens ?
To pre-empt the “but they don’t have to be near the smokers” argument, yes, they do.
A pub garden isn’t magically warded to keep the smoke out of the air of non-smokers.
Because I fucking hate walking around the city and having to hold my breath because there’s a smoker in a 10m radius.
The same reason that I advocate for the government to not allow people to buy guns.
A 10 metre radius, hey? Fucking exaggeration, much.
The argument for taking away guns is because by taking away the individual liberty to own a gun you are increasing the total liberty of people to not get shot.
It’s all about the level of acceptable risk. If you were to use your rational brain to think about this instead of your emotions you would come to the realisation that cars are more dangerous than people smoking on the street, so perhaps we should ban all cars.
And if you’re at a pub and you don’t like people smoking, perhaps you can go somewhere else. Fucking walk inside. Leave the smoker section. It’s not that fucking hard.
By taking away the liberty of one person smoking, you are increasing the liberty of all the people around them to breathe in clean air.
Cars at least provide a purpose. We take the risk of having cars because they are very convenient. What is the benefit of smoking? The only benefit is calming the effects caused by not smoking while having a smoking addiction.
