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22 points

3 months ago

I can’t fully agree with you about the smooth user experience on this particular distro because it’s immutable

Could you elaborate on why you think this is the case? FYI, I’ve been using Fedora Atomic for over two years. So, please don’t feel the need to explain me how it works*.

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9 points

3 months ago

Inconvenient package management, manual theme installation and anything that involves changes to the system.

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Kusimulkku@lemm.ee

2 points

3 months ago

Inconvenient package management

Can’t you just use the Gnome App Store or whatever it’s called?

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1 point

3 months ago

GNOME Software but it only has Flatpaks which my machine can’t quite run smoothly. It’s weird that I use the GNOME ecosystem without Flatpaks though. Anyways I just use the AUR on my system that’s based on Arch btw.

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Kusimulkku@lemm.ee

6 points

3 months ago

With an immutable system the flatpaks would be the way to go

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15 points

3 months ago

Thank you for the reply!

Inconvenient package management

Fair.

manual theme installation

I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?

anything that involves changes to the system

I’d argue “anything” is too harsh. But yes, there are definitely edge cases that are either very/too cumbersome or outright impossible to achieve on Fedora Atomic.

However, I’d argue that while the associated paradigm shift and learning curve do require some commitment to adjust to, it is a more sane way of running a system for most people.

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12 points

3 months ago

This comment shows why I like Lemmy more than Reddit. Nuanced, acknowledging when the other person has a point without just yelling at each other.

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7 points

3 months ago

Hehe. I agree that the community on Lemmy gives off more mature vibes. I suppose one should at least credit them for being idealistic enough to be on Lemmy rather than Reddit.

Thank you for spreading the positivity 😄!

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8 points

3 months ago

Inconvenient package management

Fair.

If there’s a flatpak, no problem.

Once you realize you do package management in distroboxes rather than the main OS (rpm-ostree etc), no problem, plus you have the AUR at your disposal.

So Ima go not fair, although there is something of an education gap atm.

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11 points

3 months ago

I’m a big fan of Fedora Atomic. However, even I have to admit that knowing how to install packages through dnf is simply more convenient than knowing and understanding the nuances between rpm-ostree, Toolbx/Distrobox and flatpak. And I haven’t even delved into ujust and brew that are found on uBlue images.

Furthermore, even if we would limit ourselves with what Fedora Atomic prescribes, we see the following inconveniences:

rpm-ostree ; I know --apply-live exists and I know systemctl soft-reboot exists. But still, if you have to resort to rpm-ostree, then both the speed of update/installation as well as the need to reboot (or live on the edge with --apply-live) are inconvenient compared to dnf.
flatpak ; It’s inconvenient that I have to alias the installed package if I prefer sane naming conventions when accessing it through the terminal. Furthermore, stuff like the NativeMessaging portal not being available yet for sandboxed browsers and how that prevents any local password manager to interact with them (without hacking your way through; which, once again, is an inconvenience) is inconvenient.
Toolbx/Distrobox ; the fact that you’d have to setup quadlets (or simply rely on uBlue images to do it for you) to keep them up to date, up and running is an inconvenience. The fact that distrobox-export has to be resorted to for accessing these directly from your ‘App Drawer’ is an inconvenience.

The fact that there’s no centralized place for upgrading all of the above (unless you rely on an uBlue image) is an inconvenience.

I could go on and on, but these should satisfy in revealing some of the more obnoxious inconveniences.

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5 points

3 months ago

Fair cop on the inconveniences, although I’ve found it fine after an adaption phase, coming from fedora it was lesser than hopping to a new distro. Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.

I just run ‘distrobox upgrade -all’ in my Daily.service, didn’t need quadlets (although after adaption I quite like them for containers now).

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2 points

3 months ago

I’ve found it fine after an adaption phase

Though credit where credit is due. At this point, so well-beyond the adaption phase, I simply don’t see myself use anything else. This is my home. Though I have to admit my serious interest in QubesOS (and the upcoming Spectrum OS).

Hard agree on knowing the nuances being problematic, clarity and accessible education is sorely missing, certainly the steepest part of the learning curve.

Agree. I’m at least thankful that it’s a lot better than it used to be. Like two years ago, when as a total noob to Linux, I decided to cold turkey quit Windows and installed Fedora Silverblue on my machine. Well…, those first two weeks were pretty traumatic 😂. And, back then, there was not a lot out there. Luckily, I found this article that helped me to grasp the basics. And it has been smooth sailing ever since.

I just run ‘distrobox upgrade -all’ in my Daily.service

That’s pretty cool (and straightforward). Why didn’t I think of that 😂? But yeah, quadlets FTW.

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1 point

3 months ago

Everyone has an opinion on this. Won’t argue with yours.

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2 points

3 months ago

Fair.

Btw, was I correct on the following?

I assume this is based on an experience with Kinoite? Am I right?

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5 points

3 months ago

Yeah, I had that at the beginning, then added to my fstab

# enable sddm and therefore good themes
/var/sddm /usr/share/sddm none rbind 0 0

and then it works, kludgy, but sddm is apparently working on allowing themes in /etc, sometime soon.

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6 points

3 months ago

Thanks for pointing that out!

Bazzite also includes an entry in their documentation in which they explain how theming on Bazzite works exactly.

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3 points

3 months ago

No. I know that installing a GTK theme requires putting the files in /usr/share/themes that is not in /home. That’s why I said it. As an advanced user I love customization and freedom so immutable distros are a no go for me (and for many people imo). I didn’t even bother trying.

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3 points

3 months ago

Yeah, I had that at the beginning, then added to my fstab

#enable sddm and therefore good themes
/var/sddm /usr/share/sddm none rbind 0 0

and KDE themes with sddm components install fine now (most themes install fine into /home, does Gnome really not have per user themes?)

Essentially you can tactically make things mutable as needed, use sparingly, but maybe not even trying lessens your opinion, no?

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5 points

3 months ago

FWIW, by creating your own images (through BlueBuild or tooling offered by uBlue) you could bake themes directly into those folders.

However, I totally understand why you’d not feel compelled to do as such 😅. Especially if your current distro/system works splendidly.

Sometimes, placing it to ~/.local/share/themes works as well*.

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