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To be based in logic you would need evidence, what you’re using is emotion and inference.

No, I’m using evidence, but as you are ignoring it (and even calling hundreds of cases - one case…) - let me link it once again :)

https://uadraftmuseum.ch/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukraine-urgently-needs-soldiers-but-some-men-are-desperate-not-to-fight/ar-BB1naQUE https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-war-recruitment/32310040.html https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription

Not getting grabbed off the street as you so claim but only have anecdotal evidence of.

Again, I’ve linked evidence, you just choose to ignore it.

If you don’t want to fight and won’t be an objector then renounce, move to the border (if you survive that long) and seek asylum literally anyone can do that.

I’ve already told you that it is impossible, and linked evidence, and you’ve ignored. But once again, let me link it again.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/columns/2022/08/17/7363468/

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None of those have firsthand accounts, quote one and prove me wrong.

The use of deprive and lose negate that dipshit argument. Your sources say the state can’t deprive you of citizenship or make you stateless, you can however choose to be stateless.

Not one of those includes talking to an actual person who was grabbed, we’ve already discussed this.

Again that says what the state can’t do, not what you can do.

https://uaconsulate.org/obtaining-ukrainian-citizenship/citizenship-withdrawal

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None of those have firsthand accounts, quote one and prove me wrong

I’m trying to understand what you imagine it like. BBC taking an interview of someone who was grabbed off the street? The chances of it are close to zero because 1) those who are grabbed off the streets are sent to die, not go give interviews 2) it’s not a topic that would be interesting to the western audience, because probanly nobody would be shocked by it and people are going to justify it by “oh well Zelensky needs to do that because he is a good guy fighting bad guys”, just like they do it on lemmy. 3) it is simply not in the interest of media to capture this, because it would go against the west narrative.

You disregard available evidence because you don’t like it, and instead ask for unrealistic.

Your sources say the state can’t deprive you of citizenship or make you stateless, you can however choose to be stateless.

Let me quote the piece of the article that literally says otherwise.

Вихід допускається, якщо

особа набула громадянство іншої держави 
або отримала документ, виданий уповноваженими органами іншої держави, про те, що громадянин України набуде її громадянство, якщо вийде з громадянства України. 
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There’s no evidence for it against so dispite that you’re certain it’s one way and not the other. You’re not willing to give a country that’s being invaded the benefit of a doubt… I see why you fled you’re a sympathizer.

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