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-94 points

3 months ago

Congratulations to the “good guys”, you sacrificed thousands of Ukrainians but now you have funny memes about Kursk, so it was definitely worth it.

problematicPanther@lemmy.world

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30 points

3 months ago

Fuck the imperialist russian state. They had an invasion coming the moment they invaded and annexed crimea.

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-24 points

3 months ago

Okay, you hate Russia.
But why do you hate Ukrainians? Why do we have to die for your grudge with Russia?

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wieson@feddit.org

16 points

3 months ago

This operation has the potential to better Ukraine’s strategic position greatly. Ukraine winning means the dying of civilians stops. Ukraine giving up would not have the same result.

Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Czechoslovakia? - No.

Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Poland? - No.

Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered the Netherlands? - No.

Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Denmark? - No.

Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered France? - No.

Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Norway? - No.

Ww2 ended, when Nazi Germany was defeated.

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linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml

-2 points

3 months ago

would ukraine winning mean civilians stop dying in the eastern oblasts where the coup regime have been murdering civilians and bombing and shelling them since 2014?

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-7 points

3 months ago

Ukraine winning means the dying of civilians stops. Ukraine giving up would not have the same result.

Ukraine winning, Ukraine giving up, Ukraine making a peace deal with Russia, Russia winning - all those options will mean the dying of civilians stops.
The only option where people will continue to die is the option you (probably) support - continuing the war.

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wieson@feddit.org

8 points

3 months ago

That is not my perception.

Russia winning means, the dying will continue in the suppression of their new subjects and in future invasions since this one would have been successful in the end.

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-4 points

3 months ago

How many people have died from “supression” (whatever it means in this context) in the Crimea, that has been occupied for 10 years now?
And the next question - how come this number (is it 0 or more?) is less then the number of civilians (some of whom be Ukrainians or ex-Ukrainians) that died from Ukrainian shelling of Crimea?
Do you think people should have a choice of dying in this, very real, war, or in some hypothetical could-happen war in the future?

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fernlike3923@sh.itjust.works

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1 point

3 months ago

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Vikthor@lemmy.world

0 points

3 months ago

You lie, moskals have been observed to continue stealing, raping, killing and ethnic cleansing long after any hostilities ceased in many armed conflicts before. Their behaviour in Bucha and elsewhere proves they haven’t changed one bit.

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OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml

0 points

3 months ago

moskal

Oh wow we got some “have to blow off the dust it is so old” racism here

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problematicPanther@lemmy.world

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13 points

3 months ago

I’m not the one who invaded Ukraine, but i support them fighting back against the aggressor.

would you rather just roll over and let russia take over?

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-6 points

3 months ago

You support who fighting back against the aggressor?
People who are now trapped in the biggest mass prison in the world? People who are trying to escape this prison by any means, including through the occupied territories, mountains and rivers? People who are afraid to leave homes and go to grocery shops, because any day they might be kidnapped by “recruitment officers” and forcefully sent to die?
You are not supporting us, you are killing us, together with Russia.

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Cypher@lemmy.world

-1 points

3 months ago

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-3 points

3 months ago

Citizens have a duty to defend their nation or the nation will cease to exist.

No, nobody has a duty to die for politicians. If people don’t want to protect their “nation” then it probably shouldn’t exist.

So supposing you are a Ukrainian, you’re a disgrace and a coward.

No, you are a coward for not joining the foreign legion and fighting your battles, and instead forcing other people to do your bidding.

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7 points

3 months ago

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-10 points

3 months ago

Ah yes, another lemmy.world account accusing me of spreading lies and yet not disproving any of them…

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Madison420@lemmy.world

2 points

3 months ago

You haven’t said anything to disprove, you’ve offered an idiotic opinion not a fact or anything you even claim to be a fact.

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0 points

3 months ago

You haven’t said anything to disprove

The deleted comment said that I’m lying. By definition it means the author thinks that I’ve said something that is not true, so it can be disproved (or at least one can provide an argument why it’s likely not to be true).

you’ve offered an idiotic opinion

Is there any reason that it is idiotic, other than not being aligned with western propaganda?

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-1 points

3 months ago

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11 points

3 months ago

The only one killing Ukrainians is Russia pig

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11 points

3 months ago

Lots of Russians died too, so as far as they’re concerned it’s a win.

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macniel@feddit.org

12 points

3 months ago

they could have surrendered just like the other Russians did.

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7 points

3 months ago

That’s not really how wars work in the 2020s. There’s no opportunity to surrender when you get droned in a truck miles away from the front lines or hit by a glide-bomb in your barracks hundreds of miles from the front. We saw the same thing in the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

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macniel@feddit.org

11 points

3 months ago

Okay call it not surrendering then but deserting and then surrender.

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6 points

3 months ago

Between deserting and surrendering is sneaking across miles of territory, through the front lines, in hopes that the other side accepts your surrender and puts you in a POW camp instead of droning the guy in an enemy uniform sneaking towards their position.

We’ve seen plenty of videos of both sides droning people trying to surrender.

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Vuraniute@thelemmy.club

5 points

3 months ago

Not “lots of”, more Russian soldiers died than Ukrainians, as is typical for this conflict.

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3 points

3 months ago

Oh good, more Russian orphans than Ukrainian orphans were created. That makes this all worthwhile.

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Vuraniute@thelemmy.club

3 points

3 months ago

emphasis on the soldiers part but alright

plus, in war casualties are what matters. I’m only looking at this from a strategic perspective, not a humanitarian one.

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Vilian@lemmy.ca

2 points

3 months ago

Good, maybe that way they grow a spine and overthrow their government instead of rape and kidnapping children in Ukraine

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-7 points

3 months ago

Yeah, it’s really convenient when you can force other people to fight and die for your war…

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captainlezbian@lemmy.world

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3 points

3 months ago

In our defense we didn’t invade either country.

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linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml

-2 points

3 months ago

one of the very few u havent

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captainlezbian@lemmy.world

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1 point

3 months ago

True, but this war isn’t ours. We just provided matériel to an ally who was invaded. That’s what we’re supposed to do.

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linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml

-1 points

3 months ago

yes amerikkka and its european puppets ONLY, supported a qoup and its resulting regime, tried to pull said qoup regime into an allience of aggression designed to threaten Russia, provided said regime with weapons, provides said regime with munitions, provides said regime with satellite data to make it possible to target stuff, provides said regime with money, proivides said regimes soldiers with training and encourages mercenaries to go fight for said regime.

yep its NOT a proxiwar and amerikkka is NOT involved in any meaningful way, and for sure gold stars do NOT keep appearing at a much higher rate than before in the CIAs stupid war criminal celebration wall.

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7 points

3 months ago

The West offered Zelensky a way out and to give up the moment the war started. He and his country refused and asked for weapons to defend themselves against a tyrant that will never stop. How exactly did the west force Ukraine to fight?

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-7 points

3 months ago

The West offered Zelwnsky a way out and to give up the moment the war started.

What? The west (and especially Boris Johnson) encouraged Zelensky to fight and encouraged him to drop the peace proposal (which included Russia going back to pre-2022 invasion borders!).

He and his country refused

Just “He”.

How exactly did the west force Ukraine to fight?

The west supports Zelensky’s regime, which kidnaps people on the streets and sends them to die.

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nexguy@lemmy.world

7 points

3 months ago

Zelensky could have fled. He refused. Ukrainians could have surrendered, they refused surprising everyone. Putin will never stop unless he is stopped. To support Ukraine surrendering is to support many many more Ukrainian deaths in the future.

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-3 points

3 months ago

Ukrainians could have surrendered

No. We don’t have a choice. We cannot even choose our president, much less choosing to end the war. We cannot speak out against our government (except anonymously like I do). People cannot even fucking leave their houses without fear of being kidnapped.

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8 points

3 months ago

Then go to Russia, I’m sure they’d be more than willing to send you to the front to kill your fellow Ukrainian brothers and sisters, and it’ll get you out of the “prison” that is supposedly Ukraine. 🙄

Wtf is the point of your comment chain? I’ve seen and heard no claims that Ukraine is kidnapping people off the street to be sent to the front, outside of Russian owned state media. The same media that hides and covers up the fact that Russia is doing exactly what you’re describing to its own citizens.

Ukraine was invaded, and the country chose to defend itself as opposed to roll over and take Putin’s boot on their throat. The invasion was begun under a completely fabricated claim about historical Russian boundaries. Zelensky and Ukraine have, to me, been nothing but up front about their motives, their rationale, and pride they have for their country.

I’m sure they’d be ashamed to know you think so little of your brother and sister Ukrainians, but then again, it sure sounds like you’d rather have a Russian boot on your neck than a Ukrainian uniform on your shoulders. Cowardly, and pathetic. I wouldn’t spit in your direction, it’d be an insult to the spit.

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-3 points

3 months ago

Then go to Russia

If I were in Ukraine, I’d be wishing for opportunity to go to Russia, because it’s one of the few ways to escape it… Thankfully I’ve left before the war started, so I don’t need to.

get you out of the “prison” that is supposedly Ukraine. 🙄

Supposedly?? What the hell do you mean by that? https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411

Wtf is the point of your comment chain?

And in the next sentence you say:

I’ve seen and heard no claims that Ukraine is kidnapping people off the street to be sent to the front, outside of Russian owned state media.

Well, exactly so that you have a chance to see it, and stop thinking of yourself as a good guy who is helping Ukrainians while in reality you are helping to murder us.

Here is an archive with tons of videos of kidnapping people: https://uadraftmuseum.ch/
And inb4 you claim that this is Russian propaganda, here are links to other websites just with less content:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukraine-urgently-needs-soldiers-but-some-men-are-desperate-not-to-fight/ar-BB1naQUE
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-war-recruitment/32310040.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription

The same media that hides and covers up the fact that Russia is doing exactly what you’re describing to its own citizens.

Well, I never claimed that Russia is the good guy here, but they are not doing exactly the same. They have conscription, but they don’t fucking kidnap people from the streets (or at least on a way smaller scale…) and they don’t turn their country into a mass prison that you can’t leave.

and the country chose to defend itself

Zelensky’s regime decided to turn country into a mass-prison and kidnap people and send them to die. It is not “country choosing to defend itself”.

I’m sure they’d be ashamed to know you think so little of your brother and sister Ukrainians

My Ukrainian “brothers” either already escaped Ukraine, or are trying to, or just trying to survive there. The “sisters” left a long time ago.

it sure sounds like you’d rather have a Russian boot on your neck

What “Russian boot”? I might have missed what happened to people in Crimea, living under “Russian boot” for 10 years now… How many have died or been repressed? From Russia’s hand I mean, not from Ukrainian shelling of Crimea…
But I mean yeah, obviously I’d prefer living under Russian boot than under Ukrainian boot, with Russian boot at least I’d not fear being kidnapped on the street and sent to die, and being able to freely leave a country sounds nice as well…

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