lemmy.world does not align with the values of this server and we will be disallowing federation in the near future. Please switch to another instance if you would like to maintain access.
Thanks.
For kicks I took a look at the federated copy, at least I can laugh about it now that I have a plan. I don’t care to host and pay for social media and have faceless losers vote on it. This is a terrible system, the solution to just turning off downvotes doesn’t work because they still federate to all the other servers. Once the generalist instances are reduced I think this will be much better as well.
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A big part of this I suspect is the amount of people browsing the All feed. AFAICT it’s quite high. And it has some deleterious effects on the organisation of the federated ecosystem because a whole bunch of people start interacting with content from communities that they don’t subscribe to likely aren’t interested in and don’t even align with at all.
But, because the content appears in their feed, they feel as entitled as anyone to vote and comment, even if their distance from the community makes their contribution tantamount to trolling.
Overall, along some other absent features, it’s dissolving lemmy’s ability to foster communities.
Fortunately, local only communities are in lemmy now with private (but federated) communities coming soon (apparently). This will allow communities to stay off of the All feed and federate only to people committed to them.
I’m not sure what the solution to this is to be honest, the more I think about it the idea of voting on comments is probably just a bad idea all together for what I want out of lemmy and clearly my desires and priorities differ from the overall user base of this software. I used forums for years with no voting and I’m not so sure why this needs voting on every comment because reddit had it. I understand that if there are millions of anonymous users you need a way to sort and this is crowd sourcing what is interesting, but, maybe this isn’t needed at all with only a few hundred users who are all participating in good faith.
I don’t know about how other instances operate but even though I have open sign ups, I can account for every account or have had good interactions with the random signups that have come through. I check up on the users on the instance to make sure newly accepted people aren’t trolls. It isn’t so hard for me because of the scale. Maybe this is the ideal scale and Lemmy as a whole needs to do more to convince people like me to pay for hosting instances and convince their friends to participate then organically grow in this way. People who use lemmy (mostly without contributing) appear obsessed with growth because they want to replace reddit, but I’ve been around lemmy for year and it isn’t and will never be reddit. The issues with lemmy.world and scaling fast, having to develop sublinks for features and whatever people are trying to do just doesn’t reflect how I want to use social media. When they get to that scale they’re going to attract people who are just looking to scroll an app while they take a shit and those people aren’t really going to participate in my cooking community.
Yep!!!
I’ve been saying more or less the same for a while … cloning big social platform designs is a problem on the fediverse. That people can’t seem to give up their big social habits is part of it too.
Voting was always a weird thing. Especially the downvote. Still convinced that’s toxic. With sufficient community organisation, along the lines of what you say, voting would be unnecessary and probably distracting.
I can see lemmy being flexible though. Private (or non-all-feed) communities sorted by New, hosted as you say on actual community driven instances like forums, and then for those who want it, more conventional Reddit things on bigger instances.
But yea, the doom scrolling expectation is a problem.
Thanks for the thoughts! And best wishes with whatever you’re up to!
I browse All and was generally happy discovering new cool communities this way, and keeping with the news in the fediverse (like with this post!). They don’t always align with my views and I think it’s great to see outside of my bubble and not get stuck in an echo chamber.
Vegan home cooks?! First time I’m learning of your existence, I’m not really interested in food in general, but sounds cool and will check it out, maybe get some dinner inspiration.
Yeah I understand the frustration completely. It’s really disheartening to have your content attacked just because of right wing antivegan morons. I barely ever posted here until recently and even then my comments would just get downvoted for seemingly no reason, these people really need to get a life.