Comment by Zachariah@lemmy.world on Armed nazis in Springfield, Ohio

Found on reddit. I’m told the reason for their visit is to intimidate the Haitian immigrant community there.

If When it’s intimidation, we absolutely should stop that.

But we have more tools to stop them than making speed bumps out of them. We’re allowed to be smart about things.

Being smart about things means learning from history and declaring war on the Nazis immediately, before they convince more people to join.

You know, I’m not one to ever say a nazi was right about anything, but one thing is for sure, their opponents should have struck hard and without mercy at their very core from the beginning.

Allowing them to continue just gave them their power.

Act immediately, yes. War: no.

No I mean it, it should be open season on Nazis again, war should unironically be declared on them and it should be treated as if it’s 1942 and Hitler has sent troops to the US marching around threatening locals and taking towns as Nazi German territory.

In that case capturing them would be a much higher priority than killing them. At least as far as the typical U.S. military rules of engagement. I’m all for that.

You’ve got far too much interest in the well being of flag-carrying armed Nazis. No. I disagree.

What place in society do thing these people could ever have? Do you think they’re going to wake up some day and go “gee, ya know what? I’m going to put away my guns and not be racist anymore.”? They’re not. They’re going to breed, then their children are going to be taught to be the same fucking trash they are. You’re not going to fix these assholes.

That’s what they think about you, too.

How should we decide who’s right?

Do all of us deserve to be run over by a car? What if we’re wearing some ridiculous costume? What if we’re armed? What if we’re calling for the eradication of a group of people because of their beliefs?

I’m calling on the eradication of nazis for their beliefs.

I’m calling for the eradication of their beliefs.

I’m not so hung up on getting gratification from vengeance to think killing people is the only way to do that.

So go do that. Go see how far talking with them gets you.

Do you think it’ll be less effective than running them over with your car? How do you imagine either of our scenarios playing out?

When they threaten to do vile things, there absolutely should be a consequence. That doesn’t mean y’all having to lower yourselves to their level.

I believe in you. Don’t run them over. Don’t go to prison. Live free to fight them other ways and other days. Embrace nuance. Be creative. Do good.

Their ideology is literally to eradicate races they consider undesirable. Their goal is to kill people.

If someone walked up to you and told you that their goal in life is to kill your kids, your spouse, your siblings, and your parents, what in the world would you do?

PS: the police aren’t doing anything because the guy “hasn’t done anything yet”.

Yeah, I’m not confident the cops are a better option than running them over. But citizens don’t have to jump right to murder to stop these people.

I really hope if my family was threatened, I would have more options than killing that person.

You a fucking nazi sympathizer? Or are you a nazi? God damn.

What a sad and scary world you live in. I’m sorry.

Please, keep your anger. It’s a good sign that you can tell things aren’t right. But be strategic. We need your emotion and enthusiasm to make this world better. There are so many ways to apply it. I hope you don’t limit it to violence.

I’ll write it one more time in case you missed it: We should do all we can to fight fascism. I’m just saying, let’s keep the blood off our hands as long as we can. Let’s try lots of other ways first to shut them down.

Then let’s fund schools, unionize and strike to take back power from the rich, protect the vulnerable, support diversity, have proportional representation and rank-choice voting. These (and more) are the things that prevent society from fascist infection.

How about you answer my questions, it’s very simple. YES or NO.

Are you a Nazi?
Are you a Nazi sympathizer?

BONUS Question, Are you a troll?

If you’ve read what I wrote and don’t know yet, I’m assuming you won’t accept my answer here.

But here you go:

No
No
Sometimes

If it’s intimidation

“If”?

“If”???

They are coming for our fellow brothers and sisters for no other reason than “being the wrong color”.

They intend to do harm or threaten harm. Doesn’t matter if those people are children, elderly, women, or anything else. Be concerned and stop nazis by any means necessary.

But not doing anything, you are “tolerating” it. Do not “tolerate” it. That will just let them know they are welcome to try and will not face significant opposition or consequences.

Thank you. I fixed it to “when” instead of if. I was using “if” in an ambiguous way.

I’m glad you agree we should use “any way necessary” since most people replying to me are saying the only way to stop the people in the photo is to run them over with a car.

I’m not sure who you’re reply to when you say “not doing anything” since I’ve said over and over we should stop them from intimidating others. It’s already illegal. Let’s try a legal way first. Main point from the beginning has been let’s be better than jumping straight to murder.

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