Update: I got banned from hexbear and grad lmao
Pray tell, which of the instances have you spotted that are less leftist than lemmy.world? The only ones I can imagine are lemmy.ca and midwest.social, but that’s just a guess.
Also what do you mean by “new left” movement? There are a lot of left movements, but not really any that I can think of that diverge greatly from previous left movements.
“Woke” doesn’t mean anything. It’s a vague, catch-all term used by chuds, for “lefties” and people who want social equality usually, which is obviously not a bad thing, so you must not be using it in that sense.
You seem to already have read the thread. Go look there.
Oh and there are instances that just practice full free speech as long as its not illegal where they host LW bans people for speaking the truth, especially regarding Israel vs Russia and Iran(by proxy)
The new left is the Israel hating crowd of the left because its against imperialism or something stupid along those lines. Oh also they are hyper sensitive regarding the use of words they feel like it could hurt someone, and im not talking about the n-word or similarly high grade insults. Also these people tend to speak for people they don’t know and who don’t associate with them, wich is especially bad jn my country because these idiots want to completely change our language because its “more inclusive”
Im politically Old left, workers unions, reasonable climate policies, inclusiveness where it is necessary and reasonable and so on, these people in the “woke” spectrum are usually the people that pipeline people to the right with their unintelligent and crazy behavior.
And woke is just a good fitting therm for the new left idiots, because these people made this therm about themselves.
Oh and there are instances that just practice full free speech as long as its not illegal where they host LW bans people for speaking the truth, especially regarding Israel vs Russia and Iran(by proxy)
I have not seen a SINGLE one of those instances. And my instance federates with literally everything except for like 3 instances. I’m not saying you’re making things up, but outside of extreme fringe communities, almost every (large) Lemmy instance is as “woke” or more “woke” than lemmy.world. lemmy.blahaj.zone, lemm.ee, lemmy.ml, probably even sh.itjust.works (that one’s debatable), lemmy.dbzer0.com, sopuli.xyz… I can go on and on. Leftism is way more prevalent in most of those. And yes, the kind that says you shouldn’t displace millions or be sexist.
The new left is the Israel hating crowd of the left
A large chunk of the left has always been anti-Zionism and pro-self-determination, because Israel is literally modern-day colonization. This isn’t anything new. The official government of Palestine is full-on Socialist, and it was founded 80 years ago (with other major leftist groups in Palestine dating back even before the Israeli colonization). It’s just the difference between the “leftists” who are okay with an ethnostate perpetrating an ethnic cleansing (Israel), and the leftists who aren’t.
because its against imperialism or something stupid along those lines.
For a lot of people that’s part of the reason, but most of the reason is they’re against the displacement, ethnic cleansing, and genocide of Palestinians that started during the colonization of the area by modern-day Israelis. The ruling party of Israel and most of the other parties in the government are descended from organizations that literally described themselves as terrorists, and butchered the population of Palestine since the early 1900s. And, get this, the dominating organizations during this era aligned themselves with Nazism – the Lehi (a faction of the Irgun, modern day Likud – Netanyahu’s party and Israel’s dominant party) proposed an alliance with Nazi Germany as they saw Great Britain as a larger threat to Jews. They described themselves and their members, I’m not even joking, as “National Bolshevik terrorists” (nazbols/communist nazis). Go figure.
Many of the members of government actively cheered on or committed genocide, and everyone alive knows someone who participated in the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The area didn’t just go from its population of 90% Muslim and 2% Jewish in 1800, to 81% Muslim and 8% Jewish in 1890, to 32% Jewish in 1947, to 89% Jewish in 1948 (the year the Nakba/ethnic cleansing of Arabs started), using kind words and diplomacy. (Jewish Virtual Library). Europeans encouraged Jews to colonize the area (which hadn’t been populated by Jews in large numbers since the 5th century) in order to get them out of the country (the early British Zionists in particular were keen on taking all the Jews in the UK and shipping them off to Israel, as antisemitism was the norm in western Europe until the whole World War 2 thing), and gave those newfound Israelis the weapons to blow up a whole lot of natives. These migrations were simply called Aliyah, and they happened in a few waves.
It is a state that is built upon, and cannot exist without, “Jewish supremacy”. It’s in the constitution, it’s in the law, it’s in their flag, it’s in the Muslims & Arabs in the country not having the civil rights of Jews, the entirety of Israel exists specifically to be an ethnostate. And the foundation of Israel was by parties who aligned themselves with Nazi Germany, and who took great inspiration from them.
When you’re “leftist” – that is, when you’re for abolishing unjust hierarchies and moving towards social equality – the concept of Israel and its former and current actions is inherently counter to your ideology. There’s absolutely no getting around that.
Oh also they are hyper sensitive regarding the use of words they feel like it could hurt someone, and im not talking about the n-word or similarly high grade insults.
What words are these, exactly? If they’re not slurs then I don’t see what you’re talking about. Unless you’re referring to people talking about microaggressions – which is the linguistic phenomenon of biases against certain social groups being conveyed in language, which propogates harmful beliefs. You know, saying women or asians can’t drive well, saying you wouldn’t want to have a woman perform surgery on you, saying a guy hugging another guy is gay… obviously those are pretty shitty things to say.
Im politically Old left, workers unions, reasonable climate policies, inclusiveness where it is necessary and reasonable and so on, these people in the “woke” spectrum are usually the people that pipeline people to the right with their unintelligent and crazy behavior.
Yeah nah man you’re waffling. There is no “old left”. The left is more or less the same philisophy-wise; there are socially conservative people and socially progressive people – you, my friend, seem to be describing yourself as a mildly socially conservative social democrat. There’s nothing more old or authentic or original about your philosophy – it’s just German centrism.
And woke is just a good fitting therm for the new left idiots, because these people made this therm about themselves.
The usage of the term in the social progressive context literally dates back to the 1930s. That’s almost certainly older than even your parents. How can you claim that that’s characteristic of the “new left” when it’s been around in use longer than your country’s even existed?
It’s just the difference between the “leftists” who are okay with an ethnostate perpetrating an ethnic cleansing (Israel), and the leftists who aren’t.
Far as I’m concerned it’s ethnostate vs ethnostate. Although I question how a diverse country can be an ethnostate.
The ruling party of Israel and most of the other parties in the government are descended from organizations that literally described themselves as terrorists, and butchered the population of Palestine since the early 1900s.
Both regions have these roots though, with Gaza still having a terrorist organisation as its government.
And, get this, the dominating organizations during this era aligned themselves with Nazism – the Lehi (a faction of the Irgun, modern day Likud – Netanyahu’s party and Israel’s dominant party) proposed an alliance with Nazi Germany as they saw Great Britain as a larger threat to Jews.
again, both regions did. The region at the time was a proxy war between Axis forces and Allies. Israel later sided with Britain, and the Palestinians later sided with the Axis
The area didn’t just go from its population of 90% Muslim and 2% Jewish in 1800, to 81% Muslim and 8% Jewish in 1890, to 32% Jewish in 1947, to 89% Jewish in 1948 (the year the Nakba/ethnic cleansing of Arabs started), using kind words and diplomacy.
Hey! You’re leaving out the UN resolution to establish two states. Jews had to flee Palestine because the League of Arabs declared war on Israel. To this day, Jews still can’t find a home for themselves in arab nations. It was also Palestine and the League of Arabs that refused the two-state resolution. So don’t be implying there were no kind words and diplomacy.
Israelis the weapons to blow up a whole lot of natives.
uhhh, you do realise that Jews were also native to the area, right? Like long before Muslims colonised.
It is a state that is built upon, and cannot exist without, “Jewish supremacy”. It’s in the constitution, it’s in the law, it’s in their flag, it’s in the Muslims & Arabs in the country not having the civil rights of Jews, the entirety of Israel exists specifically to be an ethnostate.
Can you prove this? From what I’ve read about their laws, there’s nothing mentioning jewish supremacy. That is unless you consider the illegal settlements in the West Bank to be legitimate.
