I probably should have been more specific, though you’re right.

They seem to think though that NASA themselves did most of the design and manufacturing or something, instead of farming a ton of it out to various contractors (Thiokol, etc). That absolutely happened with STS.

In fact, the Space Shuttle is where costs and time frames and project management and etc started to go off the rails - and led to where we are with Boeing and others today. It’s a bad one to choose to make his point - even if we were actually still getting SOME shit done back then and the situation hadn’t deteriorated so badly.