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While I agree, it must be stated imo that it’s not about the toxicity itself. It is about the interdépendancy between this toxic masculinity, and the submissive feminity.

Women are tought to be passive and fragile. Thus they need a man who is proactive and strong to lead her and protect her. Women are expected to hide what they think in order to not offend people around them, and thus a man is supposed to state things both for himself a’d for her.

Toxic masculinity and submissive feminity go hand in hand. They are, in fact, both toxic, especially together.

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Personally I prefer to refer to the broader term “toxic gender roles” as it covers a wider range of interdependent behaviors. I also think it goes deeper than just submissive femininity. It’s the old nature vs nurture argument. It’s not all societal. Some of it is biological. Larger, more physically imposing-looking men being preferred by the majority of women cuts across all times and cultures.

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I don’t buy this nature thing. All societies have been exposed to violence, and women make babies. Then the same causes will lead to the same consequences.

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So it’s hopeless and cannot be changed then?

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