I think people who’ve enjoyed years under communist governments might disagree a little about the comparison here.
“Communist governments” have never been truly communist. Well the big ones that we know at least, I guess smaller folks like indigenous people or other ancient form of living were why more communist.
All the “communist governments” that one thinks about under that term were/are just non fair dictatorships that claim to be fair
AES countries never reached Communism, yes, but they were very much real attempts at building Socialism. A lot of bad came from them, yes, but so did a lot of good. It’s important to critically analyze them as such.
Well, of course! We have to learn from every failure any human has done in the past, else we don’t get smarter.
The point I’m making, which I think is obvious and demonstrable, is extreme left aren’t just do-gooders while the extreme right are evil. It’s hard to think of any communist / marxist-leninist / whatever revolutions that weren’t followed by purges, gulags, education camps, progroms or what have you. In some cases, the body count was in the millions, e.g. Pol Pot.
So in my mind extremism is bad either way you go and it is not something that anyone should brush off and say “these left wing extremists are fine” because reality never works out that way. Extremism is monstrous either way.
Thinking in terms of right and left as string with two poles is what causing all this mess Like if there would only be two views about any topic and if you are thinking “left” at one topic you have to think “left” on very different topics as well. Kinda strange in my opinion.
About this followup of revelations: you can not simply suddenly force your opinion on how humans have to live on a crowd, well, without violence, fear monger or blackmailing.
I like the way nordic european countries handle politics. They have some of the greatest democracies and many very social laws that help the poor to live normal lives. You should visit those once.
Communism isn’t the goal. That’s what far right thinks the far left wants. The far left wants more Universal Basic Income where everyone’s needs are met. People are still allowed to go make money. Just there no homeless, which in turn should mean there’s no ultra ultra wealthy.
But communism where absolutely everybody gets the same thing hasn’t been argued for in a while (at least I haven’t seen it past arguing with Republicans it’s a bad idea).
Depends on who you ask, but I think most far left would say they are going for communism of some stripe.
I want heavy taxes on the wealthy, UBI, universal housing and healthcare, and much more regulation. I want higher union membership and more co-op business of all stripes. I don’t want a central, planned economy. (I have many other not directly economic concerns.)
I’m not often accused of being far left, these days, but I have been called a communist in the past. I consider myself a democratic socialist.
That seems like Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism. Democratic Socialism implies central planning along Liberal Democratic lines
I 100% agree with what you’ve said.
The problem with other people ideologies of communism us as soon as you bring up one of those points it immediately makes you a communist and communism bad.
But yeah, allow capitalism and people to strive for a better life, just have the safety net in place for those that fall/can’t climb.
Communism is very much the goal.
But communism where absolutely everybody gets the same thing hasn’t been argued for in a while (at least I haven’t seen it past arguing with Republicans it’s a bad idea).
That’s not Communism. Communism posits “From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.” Read Critique of the Gotha Programme.
I only made that point cause that’s what I keep having to argue, not that’s what I actually belive. That’s why I made a note saying that’s what I argue against Republicans.
But again, that’s what Republicans tend to think so that’s what I argue. But continue going off. Cause again. I’ve had the conversation irl WITH REPUBLICANS thinking that’s what communism is.
