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Evidence does indeed exist. But you’re probably rejecting facts that don’t conform to your preferred narrative.

Facts like Hamas is still holding Israeli hostages. Hamas won’t agree to a ceasefire. Casualty rates flatten out when there’s no active combat an an area which is not at all consistent with a genocide. How could it be that there aren’t civilian casualties in places where there’s no brave Hamas fighters to protect Palestinians from the genocidal IDF? Maybe because it’s not a genocide, you’re just being told that.

More facts: the leadership of Hamas are billionaires that profit from Palestinian suffering. TikTokers showing you “the truth” are also profiting.

Even more facts: Israel is going to get their people back. If Hamas agrees to a ceasefire that returns the hostages, it’s over. If not it won’t be over until the IDF finds all of these hostages. Which could take a long time.

The only thing that we need to guess about is when Hamas will decide they’ve made enough donation money from this current iteration of violence (there will be more in the future) and agree to a ceasefire.

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Facts like Hamas is still holding Israeli hostages.

How many children from the west bank are being held hostage by Israel without trial or evidence?

Hamas won’t agree to a ceasefire.

They’ve accepted ceasefire deals multiple times that Bibi personally torpedoes cause he doesn’t want to go to jail.

Casualty rates flatten out when there’s no active combat an an area which is not at all consistent with a genocide.

Only if you believe Israel and not people like The Lancet medical journal (and no, it isn’t affiliated with Hamas, even though Hamas’s numbers have proven more accurate than Israel’s over the years)

How could it be that there aren’t civilian casualties in places where there’s no brave Hamas fighters to protect Palestinians from the genocidal IDF?

Only if you don’t believe your lying eyes. Or do you believe it’s all pallywood?

Maybe because it’s not a genocide, you’re just being told that.

Or we can see the bombed hospitals, schools, and literally every single IDF declared safe zone.

More facts: the leadership of Hamas are billionaires that profit from Palestinian suffering. TikTokers showing you “the truth” are also profiting.

Come on, just say pallywood. You know you want to. It’ll be a relief.

Even more facts: Israel is going to get their people back. If Hamas agrees to a ceasefire that returns the hostages, it’s over.

This is literally the sticking point. Bibi won’t agree to a permanent cease fire, even for all of the hostages. You’re explicitly lying here.

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Just continuing to ignore the facts and regurgitating the things you’ve heard.

Hamas has said many times things like “they look positively on the ceasefire agreement” but hasn’t actually accepted anything. They do these things because they know when you see the propaganda most people won’t verify anything, and if they do you’ll only do a cursory look at mainstream source see “they look postively” on a ceasefire and assume that it means they accepted it and go back to your narrative feeling like you’ve verified it to be true.

Only if you believe Israel and not people like The Lancet medical journal (and no, it isn’t affiliated with Hamas, even though Hamas’s numbers have proven more accurate than Israel’s over the years)

Yeah it’s the numbers from the Gaza Health Authority I’m looking at. They flatten out. not consistent with a genocide.

Also those numbers aren’t accurate. Even the UN has reported double counting of the numbers by the Gaza Health authority. There’s a war happening it’s impossible to count accurately. Also note that there is no breakdown between civilian casualties and Hamas casualties. It’s simply an estimate of the total number of casualties in Gaza, both civilian and Hamas. We don’t know if 30% are Hamas, 50% are Hamas, 10% are Hamas or whatever.

So there’s a lack of reliable information here. But given we see casualties only when there’s active combat operations, and it flattens out when there aren’t firefights happening between the IDF and Hamas… the little data we have is consistent with a war in an urban environment where the military is putting emphasis on minimizing their own casualties.

Also note there would also be a number of casualties attributed to Hamas. Friendly fire is a thing in a warzone, Hamas bullets and rockets don’t simply bounce off civilians. When Hamas sparys bullets and fires rockets in the general direction of the IDF, Palestinian civilians die from that too. Remember the whole genocide narrative started when there was an explosion at a hospital and the cause wound up being a Hamas rocket that went off course. But maybe that’s a fact that you reject to maintain the narrative you like.

Most of your post is the same old “I reject the facts because Israel bad” which only proves my point. Do you even accept the fact that Hamas is holding Israelis hostage?

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Is this just propaganda?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SLwaodt_Rw

This is the intentional destruction of a key water supply that supplies water to 1 million people.

This is an action that is part of the genocidal process.

Before you claim Pallywood, or that I’m being lied to, or any of your other stupid and lazy justifications for genocide, this is a video proudly taken by an IDF soldier who is happy to take this genocidal action.

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Also wanted to pick your brain and find out if you back the soldiers mutiny at Sde Teiman in defense of their right to rape the male prisoners? This is being reported by Haaretz here: https://archive.ph/oeQMG#selection-531.29-531.39

Or let me guess, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz is secretly Hamas propaganda, right?

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Funny how both of you like to counter claims but neither has provided actual sources. I call bullshit on both parties unless actual proof is linked.

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