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The Inflation Reduction Act could hardly be less marginal. It is about as massive a thing that directly helps the working class in this country that the government is capable of doing. Right up there with the ACA which, shock, also brought by Democrats.

The reason the Dems lose is about messaging, and about media fear. Dems have a “we’re all weak so we need each other” message, while the GOP has a “you’re super strong and you’re being held down by the system” message. No need to prove it, and it sounds great to anyone with even a single complaint about anything.

The media fear is about fighting accusations of bias, which the GOP throws around as standard operating procedure. Lie about it all the time and people will accept it as true, and so the media treats the GOP with kid gloves. Pointing out lies gets called bias, instead of reporting the truth. The demands for “Harris to get specific with policy proposals” was a bunch of horseshit, because she was very specific. Trump gave no specifics, answered no questions, and skated on it all.

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I cannot argue with someone so proud of their stupidity. Go for yourself.

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Bernie couldn’t win when it was just Democrats deciding amongst themselves.

The Democrats ran Bernie before, during a time that was much more favorable for a progressive candidate. Only then, his name was George McGovern and he got beat like a rented mule.

Progressives need to learn how few people in this country are willing to consider the notion of the possibility of thinking about letting their daughters date a progressive, much less elect one President. It’s not enough to be right, if you’re fucking stupid about the citizens of this country.

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We can disagree about Bernie. I think it’s deeply cynical of him to point the finger he’s pointing.

You are very right about simple answers vs annoying complexity, and this is a systemic problem the Democrats will always face. Being based in reality and choosing to try to solve actual issues instead of simplified strawmen means the Democrats never will have an appealing story to tell, for most folks.

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Not under Biden.

Clinton fucked the party over with NAFTA, and sided with big business. Biden did not: Biden did more for workers and the working class than any other President since FDR.

But he doesn’t get credit for it, because people don’t pay attention. They remember he ordered the railroad workers back to work, and say it proves he’s anti-labor. They didn’t really follow up on the fact that a few weeks later, his administration helped get them the new contract that gave them more paid sick days than they had originally asked for. But the story was long out of the news by then.

I can’t stand idiot liberals who don’t read past headlines and drift with the news wind.

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Your links are trash, and I’ve already dealt with them.

Am I supposed to be sad that the Dems fought to keep RFK Jr from being a useful idiot for the GOP, and tried to stop him from siphoning votes? You know, the guy who is now going to run amok in the Trump administration with his deranged ideas about healthcare, as a thanks for his efforts?

Am I supposed to be sad that the Dems fought against Jill Stein, a widely-known Putin-funded tool for years and years?

Fuck no. It isn’t a betrayal of the ideals of freedom, representation, and democracy to fight against obvious sabotage of the system. There are always fools like you who will do the GOP’s work, and try to stop the Democrats from fighting them from perverting the system. You’re a tool of your enemy and too dumb to know it.

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There was nothing successful about this cycle. We live in a post-truth world, and it may be unfixable.

But pleasing the bulk of progressives (meaning idiot hippies who have nothing going on but attention for temporary media outrage) is not going to repair the Democrats. The Democrats can only succeed if there is a consensus reality, and there is no longer one.

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You’re thinking like one level deep, but the real issues are much more difficult.

Everything the GOP does makes them stronger, and everything the Democrats do makes them weaker. This is because exploiting things makes money, and defending things costs money. There’s almost nothing the Democrats can do about any progressive issue that doesn’t also create huge numbers of Republicans, so pleasing progressives is generally not the winning strategy you think it is.

I’m more interested in solving these problems than I could adequately explain, but you, like most progressives, think about goals and not strategies or ancillary outcomes.

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That’s some nonsense from Bernie. Unions have fared better under Biden than any President for decades, and Bernie knows it. This is posturing image-burnishing for the naive; you think Bernie doesn’t market himself to all the young progressives? Then, when the cameras are off, he turns into a garden-variety Democrat, voting solidly with this elitist-run party every time, without pouting and making protest votes or anything like that.

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