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As a Transfem, it’s because conservatives suck (granted I despise all forms of liberalism).

Also why the hell is liberalism considered “left-wing” its center right at most.

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Political education in the US and many of the countries that hold these polls is awful. I’d trust a middle-schooler from Cuba, Vietnam, or China more than an ivy-league-educated polysci graduate when it comes to political awareness.

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Did you just say conservatism is a form of liberalism?

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In the United States the Republicans follow a form of Liberalism, Libertarians a form of Classical Liberalism, and Democrats a form a Neoliberalism.

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Generally, a supporter of the political philosophy liberalism. Liberals may be politically left or right but tend to be centrist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal

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Liberalism supports capitalism, nothing about it is left wing. Hell even Social Liberalism isn’t left wing.

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It sounds like you’re thinking of Libertarianism which is a subset of liberalism, but they are distinct.

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various and often mutually warring views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion. Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

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The people who process these data have limited vocabulary or need to speak to those who do.

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Hey look if you start taking away white male privilege they freak out when they find out people of other races, genders and creeds are better than them, who knew?

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I’m surprised most comments here try to give any other explanation but this.

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Then why are young men being disproportionately affected? Older men are not swinging like this.

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Older men are generally already in a position of benefit, locked in a system where they cannot be taken down from their position of power. Reforms are coming at the beginning of the chain (entrance to university, internships and early job opportunities). Young men in families where their father/grandfather were in systems that benefited them - and also nepotism - have the understanding they will need to do very little to succeed. They have not put the effort in because they were told they would not have to compete.

Have a look at old laws for where you live in the world. Find out whether your mother or grandmother actually had the opportunity for higher education, or even whether she could get/keep a job after she had children and then form your own conclusions from there.

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So probably -

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Men want the days back when they were more in charge and didn’t have to worry about consequences so much.

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When the fuck were those days? I’ve been alive since 1977, and at no point since have I been “in charge” or “not had to worry about consequences”

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Probably somewhere in the 1800s

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Those “good old days” are mostly just an invention of modern propaganda, a narrative that people nowadays tell themselves about the past, so they have some sort of ideal reality to work towards and hope for the future. Norman Rockwell, George Quaintance type shit, and now you can have it AI generated. Never mind the leagues of working class men that still went underpaid, lived in shithole stick houses, died of the black lung, never mind the segregation and systemic racism and redlining which reinforced all this shit, never mind the fact that the system is and always has been a zero sum game with haves and have-nots. That all gets whitewashed, and people get presented some ahistorical vision of the good old days when you could get a king sized snickers for a nickel.

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Probably as an over reaction to lost wages and the feeling of being completely unable to secure financial freedom for their family if they even had one which likely makes them feel like failures thus the hard pivot back to forceful ideology.

I mean unfortunately expectations of what a “man is” hasn’t changed much since pre world wars with added consumerism since.

So it’s equality where the equality is worse for everyone and social stigmas still are abound. It’s a powder keg.

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  • Different time scales on nearly all the charts

  • no definition for what is conservative vs what is liberal

  • Divergence has occurred within the past 10 yesrs

  • Date range is floating for 18 to 29 year olds

  • no data for equality

  • no data for relative power

  • no data for consequence

The data just…doesn’t support this premise, so probably not.

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I mean minus South Korea, the graphs still show young men leaning left at pretty steady rates. More young women have moved left though, which is perhaps unsurprising given how hostile right wing politics is towards them. (And how open that’s become recently)

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So here’s the question - is the scale consistent over time? That is, do we consider the same ideas left/right wing in 202x as we did in 199x?

Let’s assume it is. We’re seeing men lean towards the center/right, and a lot of people are asking why. The trouble is, the answer isn’t one people like to hear - in our headlong pursuit of equity, we’re introducing a lot of inequality. You lift the ladies up, while you let the men climb - all based on the assumption that the women had further to climb so what you’re doing is levelling the field.

Countering this is a sympathetic voice, one offering to bring back equality or offer a different kind of equity. Casting gender equity as a zero sum game, and pushing for equality aimed at the ones not being lifted up.

I often hear the “uneducated men” argument, but that’s just an ugly echo from the past serving those it once oppressed in a bitter irony. The reality is that even educated people can fall for propaganda. Especially when voting in what they see as their own self interest.

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If the scale would not be consistent, the results is actual worse. The whole political spectrum is moving towards the right. Traditional left wing parties here in Germany doing right wing stuff is getting normal.

And I don’t see any left party in the U.K. or U.S. parliaments.

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Hopefully, in the distant future (as t -> inf), we will all become conservatives. Not out of resistance to change, but because we did so well: We have progressed to such an optimal point that any further step (progress) would lead to something worse. Maybe the trends reflect this?

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Cries in UK

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I sometimes think they turn conservative because women won’t date them.

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I’m pretty sure women don’t want to date people who have any sort of disposition that leans towards hating them or believing that women are lesser than men.

Unfortunately, a lot of men learned that way of thinking early in life(from family and/or media) and it ruins any attempt at a relationship, then they blame women and run to the very people who set them up to fail for validation, or find new ones like that sex trafficker with the pizza boxes, or that canadian psychologist who sugar coats sexism online. Repeat ad nauseum.

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I have an old high school friend who is very much into the whole Andrew Tate thing. His parents were separated, I don’t know the details as to why, but I do know that his father was a lot more stable than his mother, and I do sometimes wonder if he had lived with his father, if he would have turned out better.

He also thinks the earth is flat because… otherwise a ball would roll off a table. QED.

So not exactly firing an all cylinders to begin with.

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In the age of social media I imagine people are actually a lot more antisocial than we used to be…. And if young men and young women are all online more now and actually go out to interact in person less than we used to, this would make it a lot more difficult for young men to interact with the young women long enough to ask them out….

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Online is heavily skewed in women’s favor unfortunately. I had a female coworker that had 100+ matches on bumble and kept complaining how hard it was too keep track of. She wasn’t even very pretty and she had an empty pot for head. Meanwhile male coworkers really struggle. No surprise This will make some males bitter and lash out. Even if they do find a partner Worst part is if the social skills are bad it is a bad relationship. I hope we are not seeing a universe 25 style collapse.

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Hagmaxxing…? Do you hear yourself? None of this is based on reality.

Edit: oh you’ve already been removed on another instance, nice

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Is this… tilted slightly?

Am I leaning?

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left-leaning, maybe

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Mine curves to the left

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