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That’s the naivete of the Internet talking. Of course landlords create value; they do so in exactly the same way lenders create value: they absorb risk by amortizing upfront costs and charge a premium to do so.

If you didn’t agree that it’s an ethical way to participate in the economy, say that. Don’t try to pass off a moral judgment as an objective truth.

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19 points

There’s no Value created by risk, that’s an ad-hoc justification for profiting endlessly off of labor performed one time long ago.

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Houses are not “one time labor.”. Housing requires constant scheduled maintenance and upkeep over time.

Not to mention the financing required to pay for it all,which is normally spread over 30 years.

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Building a house is one time. Maintenance creates Value, yes, but one only needs to compare the cost of maintaining a house with the cost of renting it to see that the vast majority of profits come from rent-seeking. It’s non-productive extraction.

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2 points

car and house Insurance both provide value by reducing the capital investment required to continue having an item, landlords reduce the upfront cost of housing by charging a continuous fee instead of a lump sum.

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19 points

Insurance is perhaps the peak of Financial Capital masquerading as Value.

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1 point

Get him

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Landlords also do repair and maintenance (jokes aside) to maintain the property in good working order / habitability.

At least, they are generally required by law to do so. Your laws may vary.

Landlords also prep the unit for habitation between tenants and handle all of the paperwork for rent and utilities (depending).

Maintaining housing is very expensive, and many people cannot afford to just drop $25,000 to redo a kitchen or reroof a building when it is required.

So landlords are basically the middle manager between your living at the property, and all of the maintenance and financial details. You pay rent to them for that service.

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My landlord doesn’t do that, they have a property manager that does that stuff. Ive never even seen my landlord. If the landlord does it, then they are not doing landlording, they are being a property manager and landlord, but they don’t necessarily have to, and one doesn’t require being the other.

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That’s disingenuous. The property manager very much is NOT paying $30k for a new roof. The landlord is. The property manager just executes the maintenance plan the landlord is paying for.

The real problem here that these kinds of discussions usually miss is the system of laws that force everyone involved to treat housing as an investment. Housing is a necessity that the government should ensure availability of for all. Some countries get it right, like Germany where the laws pushed so much reasonably priced housing that rent isn’t even painful so tons of people don’t bother buying

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